Both cars are 100% stock aside from the fi mod? Same tire brand/wear rating? whats the scoob putting down?

 

Most agreed with it. Some felt the the FRS/BRZ is just cheaper and practical.


No he passed later.


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All cars used Hankook RS3. The FI FRS runs Carbotech 1521s as well as the S2000. Aside from alignment S2000 is bone stock.
FI FRS is on Ohlins and AP Racing brakes.

 

What FI setup is on the GT86? I really like the idea of a supercharged GT86, but its such a huge investment once you factor in brakes, suspension, wheel/tires in addition to the power upgrades.

How do the engines seem to be holding up to boost, long term? Ringland cracking an issue, as with the EJ series engines?

 

Running Vortech V3, which has been stable. The most trackable have been Jackson and Vortech thus far. Sprintex is still mostly reserved for E85 for track use. The FA20 so far is Subarus best motor holding up beyond what was expected to boost.

Its good up to about 270WHP on stock fueling system because it has DI and port. The weakness is oil pressure. Because oil pump equally feeds heads and lower end at higher HP the oil pressures drop fast and people are skimming bearings.

So the option now for track users is to add good oil cooler and oil pressure gauge at gallery on block and run 30w and back off when pressures go south of 45psi at 7000rpm.

 

Good info. That's not the first time I've heard good things about the engine's ability to be boosted. 270WHP is definitely more than plenty for some good track use.

 

He talks at length about how the '05 is the best year because it's both AP2 and non drive-by-wire...and then complains about how tail-happy the car is and shows a video of somebody dying because they didn't have traction control. If the guy in that video is driving an '06+ that accident doesn't happen.

But hey, at least he had "the best throttle response" before he died.

 

how exactly did you come to the conclusion that a car on ohlins with ap racing brakes would be comparable to a stock s2000?

If both cars had even power, and all else was even or stock, then fine. But to make both cars even and then give one car ohlins and ap racining brakes especially in a match up thats taking place on a track. it doesnt add up. I'll put my money on the ap + ohlin combo.

 

The track we are running at will neutralize braking. Suspension is a different story however lap times and drivability will be up in the air.

 

Great video, thanks for putting this together. I'm looking forward to part 2. My only criticism is to reduce/remove the profanity. It doesn't add much, and I'd like to be able to share this with my young son and not worry about the F bombs. Not a big deal, but I think you could convey the same meaning and humor without the language.

I recently got a FR-S, and I also have an 03 S2000 (my second S2000). I did not consider the FR-S to be competition with the S2000 when I looked at it. I felt it more like a rear drive and better handling (but slower) alternative to a hot hatch. But I see now how the two cars are similar. I agree the S2000 is the better sports car, although the FR-S is certainly not bad.

The FR-S could handle more power, and another 50HP would make it a better car, assuming everything else is balanced with the power. It doesn't NEED more power to be a good sports car though. Toyota/Subaru did a great job balancing all the performance characteristics, including power. If they ever make a factory turbo FR-S/BRZ, I'm concerned it will be >=$32k, which makes it a difficult proposition. That's too close to Mustang GT or Camaro SS V8 rear drive money. It might be a great car, but it won't sell at that price with a 250HP turbo 4-cylinder.

 

Brand new BRZ limited is already over $30K sticker price If they can't keep the price in check as-is, they will have trouble selling them. I predict they won't be around much longer.