RicePimp

How torquey a car feels has nothing to do with the size of the engine, but the amount of torque relative to the weight of the car. You could drop a 40hp, 125cc kart engine into an s2000 and by your example, it would have a good amount of torque for a .125 liter engine. Unfortunately you'd have a hard time even getting the car to move.

That said I don't think the issue is lack of peak torque, but rather lack of low end torque. Due to the high redline and gearing the torque is actually much better in the powerband than the 153 ft/lbs figure would suggest. Out of the powerband however the torque isn't that great. That's what the point of the article mentioned in the original post was. If you were to run other comparable cars shifting at those low speeds they would do a lot better than 12 seconds 0-60. A vette for example pulls hard even when the car forces you to shift from 1st to 4th at 2500 rpms. And even in 4th you could still get to 60 in less time than 12 seconds. That flexibility is what the s2000 doesn't have.

That means nothing in a competitive situation, but the ability to be fast in any gear at any speed is something that is nice in a street car. It's just part of the character of the car, and ultimately what character you prefer is up to the individual. But trying to tell people that this is a torquey car misrepresents the behavior of the car. This is a car that will not even spin it's tires from a slow roll if you floor it. There are plenty of slower cars that can manage that. This is just the nature of the car, whether it's a good thing or bad thing is a matter of opinion, not a fact.

Bieg

How much torque an engine actually HAS is related to the size of the engine. How much torque it FEELS LIKE IT HAS is the product of many variables such as gearing, weight of car, state of tune, etc....

If you want to compare torque compare it with other 2 liter engines.

RicePimp

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bieg
[B]How much torque an engine actually HAS is related to the size of the engine.

STL

[QUOTE]Originally posted by RicePimp
[B]How torquey a car feels has nothing to do with the size of the engine, but the amount of torque relative to the weight of the car.

STL

Just curious, what are the 0-60 numbers for a stock S2000 if you do a 'sane' launch but then rev each gear up to the redline (or thereabouts)?

mrkim019

Low six's.

S2K1

Who cares if the S2000 has no torque, it makes up for by having a 9000RPM redline, find another car on the road that has that! Stock! Take away VTEC and you take away the heart of the S2000! I personally don't care if the S2000 does 0-60 in 12 sec. under 5000RPM! I love it, I always will love it, and no one can take that away from me!

RicePimp

Where's that from?

5-60 was 6.8 in Car and Driver, so from from a stop I'd guess right around 7.

Wisconsin S2k

5-60 times will ALWAYS be higher than 0-60 times. That is called a street start. It's starting at a low, boggy point for engines.

I ran a 1/4 mile twice doing a rolling start. No launch. I still ran a 14.5x-14.6x and 0-60 of 6.1-6.2.... compared to my normal 13.7 and 5.2

just my .02

oceanS2K

Consider the source too. This is my opinion but I stopped reading MT due to some integrity issues. Im that guy that reads every mag word-for-word and I caught too many inconsistencies in MT as compared to Automobile/CD/AW. Some say CD is in bed w/Honda & BMW. Some say MT is with Ford.

Who knows.