S2000 or Civic Si
12-04-2007 | 08:46 AM
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It is funny that others are having to make the same decision I had to. A 07 Si or an S2000. Insurance wasn't much of a factor since they were near the same for me. I had to add ugly looks and poor paint/interior quality (3rd gear grind) to the Si's downfall. It was still kind of a toss up since the Si had the better room, better mileage, and cheaper price. I am happy I bought the S2000 but I can see where others would be happier with the Si's pratical sportiness. Then again, it just looks ugly.
12-04-2007 | 08:48 AM
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I agree that you will drive more maturely in the S2000, and the community alone is another thing that sold me on the car. With the s2k croud you have a GROUP of friends instantly. With the SI, all i have seen are fanboys that wont give you time of day bc you are always in competition with each other...
markstudy you live in clearwater,fl? We need to get together and let me take you for a ride on patterson road
I promise you, it will change your opinion! You can even go test drive either car yourself and take it to that road for your own comparison...
btw, which dealer are you going to? palm harbor? and did you switch the vsa off when you went for your test drive in the 07? bc i have an 07 and trust me it feels and outperforms the 07 SI in ANY field you put it in.
anyways, if you want to take me up on that offer just shoot me a pm. And I consider myself a pretty good driver with a couple track days so i wont kill you...haha.
markstudy you live in clearwater,fl? We need to get together and let me take you for a ride on patterson road
I promise you, it will change your opinion! You can even go test drive either car yourself and take it to that road for your own comparison...btw, which dealer are you going to? palm harbor? and did you switch the vsa off when you went for your test drive in the 07? bc i have an 07 and trust me it feels and outperforms the 07 SI in ANY field you put it in.
anyways, if you want to take me up on that offer just shoot me a pm. And I consider myself a pretty good driver with a couple track days so i wont kill you...haha.
12-04-2007 | 09:01 AM
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[QUOTE=markstudy,Dec 4 2007, 08:03 AM]Now the gap has closed. Sure the S2000 is still considered one-step up on the Honda food chain. But the 197hp engine in the new 06 SI is so much fun and has addressed some of that low-end mush that the S2000 has always been criticized for.
When I stepped out of my 2006 Si and into the S2000 I didn't feel $12,000 worth of upgrade in the engine. I didn't feel any. (I hope the 2007 S they let me drive was
When I stepped out of my 2006 Si and into the S2000 I didn't feel $12,000 worth of upgrade in the engine. I didn't feel any. (I hope the 2007 S they let me drive was
12-04-2007 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by markstudy,Dec 4 2007, 08:03 AM
Sorry, but that's not the problem
I've got plenty of track time in Spec Miata class. No problem with low HP cars and having to carry your speed. I think Miata is the best way for the average guy to experience racing.
Let.... me put it another way (I'm trying not to hurt anyone's feelings)
in 1999 when you jumped out of a Civic and into a S2000 you could tell why you were spending the extra $12k. It was very impressive!
Now the gap has closed. Sure the S2000 is still considered one-step up on the Honda food chain. But the 197hp engine in the new 06 SI is so much fun and has addressed some of that low-end mush that the S2000 has always been criticized for.
When I stepped out of my 2006 Si and into the S2000 I didn't feel $12,000 worth of upgrade in the engine. I didn't feel any. (I hope the 2007 S they let me drive was was just a ragged-out lot demo, and I'm giong back to try again, fingers crossed for a better experiance this time)
New car's have closed the gap. Look at Ferrari, you can buy a Vette for a third of the price with the same tack times. Ferrari use to be so far out front, and now there are a lot of cars in that class, and on there heels.
So, as one of the new car buyers looking at the S2000, I'm surprised that there wasn't a bigger difference in performance from the 06 Civic SI
Someone trying to make a choice between the two cars might like to hear that if he does pick the Civic SI .... he didn't make that bad of a pick.
I'm not worried about impressing the girls or hoping my school friends think I'm cool. I might be in another class since I"m older and have a wife....funny thing, you don't judge cars on past reputation, you start looking at what you are actually getting for your dollar.
NOW I THINK ITS FUNNY IF I BUY THE S2000, YOU GUYS WILL ALL GIVE ME CRAP, BECAUSE I JUMPED INTO THIS SITE WITH THIS AS MY FIRST POST AND I'LL NEVER HEAR THE END OF IT. BUT WITH AGE COMES A SENSE OF NOT CARING as much about WHAT's the Market Buzz, and I enjoy that freedom to speak my mind even if its not the hip or cool opinion that the marketing department wants you to buy. You guys are all smarter and more experianced. But I'm trying to share what this new car buyer is thinking about the S2000...
I also agree with all of you that I think the orginal poster should pick the S2000.I think the 06 Si spools up faster in the low revs, and is more boy racer for a young driver. He will probably be more mature and safe in the S2000 .
As for your second point.... I agree. I don't plan on posting on other threads. I'm here to learn. But on this thread... I feel qualified to speak becaues I am going through a buying process and as the orginal poster.... we have a few thought in common.... and I want to share that - HE CAN"T GO WRONG EITHER WAY
I've got plenty of track time in Spec Miata class. No problem with low HP cars and having to carry your speed. I think Miata is the best way for the average guy to experience racing.
Let.... me put it another way (I'm trying not to hurt anyone's feelings)
in 1999 when you jumped out of a Civic and into a S2000 you could tell why you were spending the extra $12k. It was very impressive!
Now the gap has closed. Sure the S2000 is still considered one-step up on the Honda food chain. But the 197hp engine in the new 06 SI is so much fun and has addressed some of that low-end mush that the S2000 has always been criticized for.
When I stepped out of my 2006 Si and into the S2000 I didn't feel $12,000 worth of upgrade in the engine. I didn't feel any. (I hope the 2007 S they let me drive was was just a ragged-out lot demo, and I'm giong back to try again, fingers crossed for a better experiance this time)
New car's have closed the gap. Look at Ferrari, you can buy a Vette for a third of the price with the same tack times. Ferrari use to be so far out front, and now there are a lot of cars in that class, and on there heels.
So, as one of the new car buyers looking at the S2000, I'm surprised that there wasn't a bigger difference in performance from the 06 Civic SI
Someone trying to make a choice between the two cars might like to hear that if he does pick the Civic SI .... he didn't make that bad of a pick.
I'm not worried about impressing the girls or hoping my school friends think I'm cool. I might be in another class since I"m older and have a wife....funny thing, you don't judge cars on past reputation, you start looking at what you are actually getting for your dollar.
NOW I THINK ITS FUNNY IF I BUY THE S2000, YOU GUYS WILL ALL GIVE ME CRAP, BECAUSE I JUMPED INTO THIS SITE WITH THIS AS MY FIRST POST AND I'LL NEVER HEAR THE END OF IT. BUT WITH AGE COMES A SENSE OF NOT CARING as much about WHAT's the Market Buzz, and I enjoy that freedom to speak my mind even if its not the hip or cool opinion that the marketing department wants you to buy. You guys are all smarter and more experianced. But I'm trying to share what this new car buyer is thinking about the S2000...
I also agree with all of you that I think the orginal poster should pick the S2000.I think the 06 Si spools up faster in the low revs, and is more boy racer for a young driver. He will probably be more mature and safe in the S2000 .
As for your second point.... I agree. I don't plan on posting on other threads. I'm here to learn. But on this thread... I feel qualified to speak becaues I am going through a buying process and as the orginal poster.... we have a few thought in common.... and I want to share that - HE CAN"T GO WRONG EITHER WAY
but i will say this, i first test drove the S back in 2001-2002, and then had drives in 2003. those drives stayed in my mind for a long time and i knew i wanted the car but..
... when judging the performance of the car, i can safely say now that i had no idea what the car can do back then - not in a few testdrives, not even close. it wasn't until i had 3-4months after buyin & owning the car did i truly feel comfortable driving the car at a high level - even now i'm still learning its absolute limits.
the SI is a great car. u even said u got it over the Lexus IS because its more fun. thats great, i agree w/ you. the S on the other hand, is also a lot more fun than the SI... if you dont agree w/ me here, then i wont go on because the difference is not even subjective.
the SI does feel good off the line, and much like the RSX-S the acceleration 'feels' around the lower rpms, whereas a stock S2000 feels like it need the rpm to climb b4 u really feel it. that's why i got gears, to help w/ that down low torque feel. but that said, #'s still dont lie, 240hp vs ~200hp @ same weight. 0-60 is 5.5 vs 6.7. these #'s don't wear rose-color-glasses so i'm not sure this is about fanboism
s2000 is a RWD pure sports car best for the weekends that many on the board here have learned to use as a DD due to its Honda reliability (especially if they r single, no family..etc)
civic Si is a FWD economy sedan/coupe souped up to be sporty and great compromise between DD & fun factor
Let's see these cars for wat they r and 'get our head out of our asses'
12-04-2007 | 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 93SHO,Dec 4 2007, 09:23 AM
Thanks for all of the responses. So yeah i am 22, single with no kids and wouldnt be hauling a lot of stuff (including people) so i am not worried about the space issue. My past cars have all been upgraded and i have had RWD and FWD(H23 prelude, firebird and SHO) but now i am basically over modifying my cars. it would be my DD but i wouldnt mind it since i am young and enjoy the connected feeling to the road that the S2000 has.
my dad has a 2000 boxster which he lets me drive occasionally and it is awesome, love the roadster feel but the repairs are expensive! does anyone know the insurance difference between the S2000 and the Si, this could actually be a deal breaker if the S2000 is substantially more.
this is a tough choice so thanks for your input.
my dad has a 2000 boxster which he lets me drive occasionally and it is awesome, love the roadster feel but the repairs are expensive! does anyone know the insurance difference between the S2000 and the Si, this could actually be a deal breaker if the S2000 is substantially more.
this is a tough choice so thanks for your input.
I asked why and got the most ridiculous answer. "Maybe because of (lack of) safety features".
Unless multiple airbags bring up the premium. I pay $172.00 a month for the Si now.
12-04-2007 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by junsu,Dec 4 2007, 10:01 AM
agreed. a lot of the s2k owners on this board like s.hasan546 need to get their head out of their ass and actually drive the new Si's for an extended period of time. Honda only improves their engineering each generation, and it's straight up ignorant to think the S2000 is some impossible milestone of achievement. the new civic type R in japan outclasses the s2000 on the straights AND the turns- and it's FWD (Honda is awesome ). think about that.
the s2000 is a great car (i would get one if i could), but the prepubescent fanboi-ism is laughable. glad not everyone on this board is mature enough to see the car for what it is and still enjoy it.
). think about that.the s2000 is a great car (i would get one if i could), but the prepubescent fanboi-ism is laughable. glad not everyone on this board is mature enough to see the car for what it is and still enjoy it.
12-04-2007 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by markstudy,Dec 4 2007, 08:03 AM
Sorry, but that's not the problem
I've got plenty of track time in Spec Miata class. No problem with low HP cars and having to carry your speed. I think Miata is the best way for the average guy to experience racing.
Let.... me put it another way (I'm trying not to hurt anyone's feelings)
in 1999 when you jumped out of a Civic and into a S2000 you could tell why you were spending the extra $12k. It was very impressive!
Now the gap has closed. Sure the S2000 is still considered one-step up on the Honda food chain. But the 197hp engine in the new 06 SI is so much fun and has addressed some of that low-end mush that the S2000 has always been criticized for.
When I stepped out of my 2006 Si and into the S2000 I didn't feel $12,000 worth of upgrade in the engine. I didn't feel any. (I hope the 2007 S they let me drive was was just a ragged-out lot demo, and I'm giong back to try again, fingers crossed for a better experiance this time)
New car's have closed the gap. Look at Ferrari, you can buy a Vette for a third of the price with the same tack times. Ferrari use to be so far out front, and now there are a lot of cars in that class, and on there heels.
So, as one of the new car buyers looking at the S2000, I'm surprised that there wasn't a bigger difference in performance from the 06 Civic SI
Someone trying to make a choice between the two cars might like to hear that if he does pick the Civic SI .... he didn't make that bad of a pick.
I'm not worried about impressing the girls or hoping my school friends think I'm cool. I might be in another class since I"m older and have a wife....funny thing, you don't judge cars on past reputation, you start looking at what you are actually getting for your dollar.
NOW I THINK ITS FUNNY IF I BUY THE S2000, YOU GUYS WILL ALL GIVE ME CRAP, BECAUSE I JUMPED INTO THIS SITE WITH THIS AS MY FIRST POST AND I'LL NEVER HEAR THE END OF IT. BUT WITH AGE COMES A SENSE OF NOT CARING as much about WHAT's the Market Buzz, and I enjoy that freedom to speak my mind even if its not the hip or cool opinion that the marketing department wants you to buy. You guys are all smarter and more experianced. But I'm trying to share what this new car buyer is thinking about the S2000...
I also agree with all of you that I think the orginal poster should pick the S2000.I think the 06 Si spools up faster in the low revs, and is more boy racer for a young driver. He will probably be more mature and safe in the S2000 .
As for your second point.... I agree. I don't plan on posting on other threads. I'm here to learn. But on this thread... I feel qualified to speak becaues I am going through a buying process and as the orginal poster.... we have a few thought in common.... and I want to share that - HE CAN"T GO WRONG EITHER WAY
I've got plenty of track time in Spec Miata class. No problem with low HP cars and having to carry your speed. I think Miata is the best way for the average guy to experience racing.
Let.... me put it another way (I'm trying not to hurt anyone's feelings)
in 1999 when you jumped out of a Civic and into a S2000 you could tell why you were spending the extra $12k. It was very impressive!
Now the gap has closed. Sure the S2000 is still considered one-step up on the Honda food chain. But the 197hp engine in the new 06 SI is so much fun and has addressed some of that low-end mush that the S2000 has always been criticized for.
When I stepped out of my 2006 Si and into the S2000 I didn't feel $12,000 worth of upgrade in the engine. I didn't feel any. (I hope the 2007 S they let me drive was was just a ragged-out lot demo, and I'm giong back to try again, fingers crossed for a better experiance this time)
New car's have closed the gap. Look at Ferrari, you can buy a Vette for a third of the price with the same tack times. Ferrari use to be so far out front, and now there are a lot of cars in that class, and on there heels.
So, as one of the new car buyers looking at the S2000, I'm surprised that there wasn't a bigger difference in performance from the 06 Civic SI
Someone trying to make a choice between the two cars might like to hear that if he does pick the Civic SI .... he didn't make that bad of a pick.
I'm not worried about impressing the girls or hoping my school friends think I'm cool. I might be in another class since I"m older and have a wife....funny thing, you don't judge cars on past reputation, you start looking at what you are actually getting for your dollar.
NOW I THINK ITS FUNNY IF I BUY THE S2000, YOU GUYS WILL ALL GIVE ME CRAP, BECAUSE I JUMPED INTO THIS SITE WITH THIS AS MY FIRST POST AND I'LL NEVER HEAR THE END OF IT. BUT WITH AGE COMES A SENSE OF NOT CARING as much about WHAT's the Market Buzz, and I enjoy that freedom to speak my mind even if its not the hip or cool opinion that the marketing department wants you to buy. You guys are all smarter and more experianced. But I'm trying to share what this new car buyer is thinking about the S2000...
I also agree with all of you that I think the orginal poster should pick the S2000.I think the 06 Si spools up faster in the low revs, and is more boy racer for a young driver. He will probably be more mature and safe in the S2000 .
As for your second point.... I agree. I don't plan on posting on other threads. I'm here to learn. But on this thread... I feel qualified to speak becaues I am going through a buying process and as the orginal poster.... we have a few thought in common.... and I want to share that - HE CAN"T GO WRONG EITHER WAY
And wishing the s2000 had a different engine?..
I won't even comment on that.
If you do someday buy a s2000 you will realize why all these s2000 owners are infuriated by your posts.
12-04-2007 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by markstudy,Dec 4 2007, 11:03 AM
NOW I THINK ITS FUNNY IF I BUY THE S2000, YOU GUYS WILL ALL GIVE ME CRAP, BECAUSE I JUMPED INTO THIS SITE WITH THIS AS MY FIRST POST AND I'LL NEVER HEAR THE END OF IT. BUT WITH AGE COMES A SENSE OF NOT CARING as much about WHAT's the Market Buzz, ...
People who have a (real) passion for cars have it from early childhood, and never outgrow it. And, such people could not care less about the latest automotive crazes or fads, so age has absolutely nothing to do with it.
It's not an age thing, and if one is the type to get swept up by marketing buzzes, they'll still be getting swept up by them when they're 90.
12-04-2007 | 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by The Twanksta,Dec 4 2007, 12:48 PM
the community alone is another thing that sold me on the car. With the s2k croud you have a GROUP of friends instantly.
Then sports cars went away for a couple decades, and when the Miata was first introduced, it was the old days all over again. Back in 1990-1991 meeting another Miata on the road was at a minimum always good for hand waving, light flashing, or horn blowing, and stopping to talk wasn't at all uncommon.
BUT, Miata's were too easy to own and keep running, so many of the people who bought them didn't fit the old sports car owner mold. People bought the car because it was cute, or cheap, or economical, and it wasn't long before the number of non-enthusiasts outnumbered the hard core enthuasiasts, so in a way, in reviving the sports car and making it so much easier to own, Mazda killed off a big part of what made owning a sports car so special.
The S2000 is the same way, in that it's easy to own, and attracts all manner of people, but thanks to the Web and S2kI, we have a great community in spite of all the diversity. It seems to me that just over the four years I've been hanging out here, there has come to be a much greater understanding of and appreciation for our diversity, but even from the start, for me, having a community like S2kI has made owning the S2000 as much fun as owning an MG back in the 60's (and that's saying quite a lot).
But anyway, yea, I totally agree. One of the nicest things about owning an S2000 is the great people you meet in the S2000 community.
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Admittedly, there are times when I see S2000 owners saying things that remind me of old Porsche-owner jokes, and it makes me ashamed to be associated with the car, but at least here on S2kI, that kind of thing has become rare.
12-04-2007 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by markstudy,Dec 4 2007, 11:03 AM
in 1999 when you jumped out of a Civic and into a S2000 you could tell why you were spending the extra $12k. It was very impressive!
Back in 2000, the S2000 offered owners a totally unique driving experience. That experience is just as unique today as it was then, and nobody else has even tried to build a car that gives the driver a similar experience, so as in 2000, there is still only one choice, IF the S2000 driving experience is what one is looking for in a car.
Comparitive performance means dick to the people who buy the car for the unique driving experience it offers.
Does ANYBODY HERE actually disagree with that? ^^^
If so, I'd really like to know what you think offers a similar experience. It sure as hell isn't the Elise or Caterham, Porsche or Atom, Ferrari or Mustang, or anything else I've ever driven or even heard about, so please enlighten me.
