is the S the only car to ONLY come in manual?
07-20-2010, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by i_heart_my_DB8,Jul 20 2010, 10:49 AM
There are not too many cars offered today with NO auto tranny option for the entire CHASSIS.
S2000, Elise, Viper... and then you start getting up into the exotics... (or more exotic)
S2000, Elise, Viper... and then you start getting up into the exotics... (or more exotic)
Based on what I quoted the Evo 8/9 should be included since it is a different chassis to the base lancer (and never officially had lancer in the name in the US). But the STi shares a chassis and name with the impreza so it would not be included.
In my opinion when thinking about if it is a model or trim level think how likely it is to be cross shopped with the other 'trim' levels.
i.e. An evo shopper is unlikely to seriously consider a base lancer, a civic si shopper may also consider a highly optioned non-si.
07-20-2010, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by EW Lombard,Jul 20 2010, 07:05 AM
E46 M3s were 6MT or SMG its a manual with auto shift but does not have a torque converter so its a manual in my book....or does that fall under the 3 series line?
Also Porsche 997.2 comes with DSG or 6 speed no more torque converter.
Also Porsche 997.2 comes with DSG or 6 speed no more torque converter.
Nothing will ever substitute the driver involvement of a true manual and I hope cars will keep having it as an option..
07-20-2010, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Mar48,Jul 20 2010, 01:38 PM
SMG, DSG, etc... Do not count as true manuals (ie. pushing the clutch in with your left foot). They are no where near as fun to drive imo, I don't care if it has paddle shifters or not.
Nothing will ever substitute the driver involvement of a true manual and I hope cars will keep having it as an option..
Nothing will ever substitute the driver involvement of a true manual and I hope cars will keep having it as an option..
By the way, and I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think the new CR-Z is going to only be available with a manual transmission.
07-20-2010, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Mar48,Jul 20 2010, 01:38 PM
SMG, DSG, etc... Do not count as true manuals (ie. pushing the clutch in with your left foot). They are no where near as fun to drive imo, I don't care if it has paddle shifters or not.
Nothing will ever substitute the driver involvement of a true manual and I hope cars will keep having it as an option..
Nothing will ever substitute the driver involvement of a true manual and I hope cars will keep having it as an option..
07-20-2010, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Presto123,Jul 19 2010, 08:29 PM
The pre bangle m5s were manual only. I believe they ran til 2002 or 2003.
07-20-2010, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by gCHOW,Jul 20 2010, 11:28 AM
noble M400/M500, caterham 7, ariel atom
07-20-2010, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by suprmonky73,Jul 20 2010, 11:10 AM
agreed - paddle shifters in any way shape or form do not make an equal substitute for a 3rd pedal
You can't compare a torque converter slush-box to a SMG/DSG...