The "right way" to take corners
07-26-2002, 11:00 AM
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Just to throw a monkey-wrench into the discussion, I'll add this: It all depends on what's coming up AFTER the turn. If it's a straightaway, then the out-in-out/apex discussion above is correct. If it's another turn, then all of that goes to hell 
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07-26-2002, 11:02 AM
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tedow:
Right. I was trying to boil it down to the simplest possible situation: a sweeper with no apex, straights before and after.
The physicist in me always says: "First, assume a spherical chicken."
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Right. I was trying to boil it down to the simplest possible situation: a sweeper with no apex, straights before and after.
The physicist in me always says: "First, assume a spherical chicken."
- Warren
07-26-2002, 11:42 AM
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And I was trying to give the simplest possible answer (in three words)!
A sweeper may not have an apex, you make one. It's still 'out, in, out', but you have to choose where the 'in' is (and how far out the 'outs' are, and how far in the 'in' is). There are lots of factors that will affect those choices.
A sweeper may not have an apex, you make one. It's still 'out, in, out', but you have to choose where the 'in' is (and how far out the 'outs' are, and how far in the 'in' is). There are lots of factors that will affect those choices.
07-26-2002, 12:26 PM
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Warren - this is an excellent book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/083...9286856-5836862
They do a good job explaining how to drive quickly around the track. Physics included (there is some math, but no calculus).
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/083...9286856-5836862
They do a good job explaining how to drive quickly around the track. Physics included (there is some math, but no calculus
).
07-26-2002, 01:13 PM
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Wow, this sounds like my senior project in engineering school. We did a study on building a race car... One of the things that we studied was setting a car up for turns.
While there are many factors to determine the fastest path through a turn, the key is tire grip and not producing more force (in any direction) than the tires can endure. This means a wider turn radius when decelerating and accelerating and the smallest turn radius when the car is balanced at a steady speed (at the apex). This keeps the force on the tires the most constant.
This subject could be discussed for pages, I am trying to hold back... Just remember to be smooth and make no sudden changes.
While there are many factors to determine the fastest path through a turn, the key is tire grip and not producing more force (in any direction) than the tires can endure. This means a wider turn radius when decelerating and accelerating and the smallest turn radius when the car is balanced at a steady speed (at the apex). This keeps the force on the tires the most constant.
This subject could be discussed for pages, I am trying to hold back... Just remember to be smooth and make no sudden changes.
07-26-2002, 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by schwett
i always kinda assumed the highly simplified goal was the shortest distance between two points and the shallowest curve?
i always kinda assumed the highly simplified goal was the shortest distance between two points and the shallowest curve?