quick ap1 vs ap2 question..
05-13-2010 | 04:54 AM
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Unfortunately, there are no cheap (re-read the OP) mods to make one faster than the other.
I can't say for certain but any intake or exhaust thread would have probably answered the OP's question with regard to those particular mods as an approach to make an AP1 faster than an AP2.
The driver comments still stand as the best bang for the buck mod.
Searching doesn't take all day and all night. Some who post to forums seem to love to use that excuse. If you need help with determining keywords or other techniques (e.g. using Google and restricting it to a particular site) to make your searches more effective then, by all means, ask for help on that.
As for other reasons why your thread didn't receive favorable responses, here are my 2 cents. Feel free to take it or leave it.
Statements like this on any forum site are often taken as "I'm too lazy to do any of my own research. Do it for me and give me the results ASAP." You'll get more favorable responses if you at least make some effort to show that you've done some research on the matter.
...and this makes it sounds like you're asking for the above to win your personal pissing contest. I can't speak for others but that does the exact opposite of motivating me to help you.
Dead horses that have been beaten for years also tend to get negative responses on any forum site.
I can't say for certain but any intake or exhaust thread would have probably answered the OP's question with regard to those particular mods as an approach to make an AP1 faster than an AP2.
The driver comments still stand as the best bang for the buck mod.
Originally Posted by Spec_R,May 12 2010, 04:54 PM
Some people don't have time to be online all day and night to look for answers so they often post a quick question, hoping that somebody would be nice enough to answer them.
As for other reasons why your thread didn't receive favorable responses, here are my 2 cents. Feel free to take it or leave it.
Originally Posted by Spec_R,May 12 2010, 03:08 AM
Please list the aftermarket parts & price.
Originally Posted by Spec_R,May 12 2010, 03:08 AM
sorry for question such a immature question out of no where, my buddy and I are discussing about this topic and I really want to know the answer quick to see who's right or wrong..
Originally Posted by 21337R,May 12 2010, 10:41 PM
All they could see was the AP1 VS AP2 and everyone started shitting their pants.
05-13-2010 | 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 21337R,May 12 2010, 11:41 PM
Wow! Sorry to the OP for everyone's retarded comments. All they could see was the AP1 VS AP2 and everyone started shitting their pants. The fact is that your buddy is correct. If you can save 5-6k on purchasing an ap1(plus supporting mods) over an ap2 then you my friend, can now have a turbo AP1 for the price of a stock AP2. END OF STORY.
05-13-2010 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Saki GT,May 12 2010, 06:26 AM
There's nothing you can do to an AP1 that you can't do to an AP2 to make it faster - why exactly do you need to have an AP1 that can beat AP2s? You in some sort of Fast and the Furious movie? Race Wars coming to town?
05-13-2010 | 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by B serious,May 12 2010, 09:45 PM
You're implying that the 00 was one of the worst handling models?
05-14-2010 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by JLUDE,May 13 2010, 01:22 PM
Negative. I was pointing out that the first model year for S2000 (2000) can be very equal to the best and final model year. The chasis and body are the same...it's only suspension tweaks and wider rubber that gives the AP2's handling advantages. Ap1's had an extra 1,000 rpms to play with as well.
Objectives for enhancing the 2004 S2000 chassis included simultaneously improving both at-the-limit track performance and the street performance during everyday driving conditions. Honda engineers re-visited the performance of the tires and suspension to improve overall handling of the S2000 and enhance "limit controllability." To accomplish this, the tire size was increased, body rigidity improved, rear suspension bump steer qualities minimized, and the rear roll center was lowered.
From a handling standpoint, the 2004 S2000 features improved steering response and accuracy with a more linear overall feel. At-the-limit controllability has also been enhanced along with vehicle stability under heavy accelerator on/off situations
For 2004, modifications have been made to enhance performance at the limit, improve control and reduce unwanted sensitivity to internal and external forces during acceleration and braking. Overall suspension geometry has been enhanced by changing the initial rear toe and bump steer settings, lowering the roll center, and optimizing the shock absorbers, spring rates, stabilizer bar and body rigidity.
For 2004, S2000 torsional body rigidity has been further increased by 10-percent in the front and 9-percent in the back through the use of four strategic sets of new reinforcements on the body and chassis.
* Reinforcements have been added to the rear wheel house bulkhead
* Reinforcements have been added to the front cross members
* Brackets have been added to the front upper A-arms
* A performance rod has been added to the front cross member
- Rear control arms lengthened
- Spring changes: Front: Increased spring rate 6.7% Rear: Decreased spring rate 10%
- Stiffened cross-members, joints and bulkheads increase torsional rigidity
- Steering rack ratio increase slightly to reduce high-speed nervousness
- Steering Gear Ratio now 14.9:1 from 13.8:1 - tuned to match new tire size
- Rear sway bar thinner
- Upgraded brakes incorporating an ABS system that features yaw control logic
- Brake pads redesigned
Larger wheel and tires for the 2004 S2000 improve overall grip and cornering performance. The S2000 features Bridgestone Potenza RE 050 215/45R 17 87W front tires, mounted on 17 x 7.0 jj aluminum-alloy wheels. The rear tires are 245/40R 17 91W and are mounted on 17 x 8.5 jj aluminum-alloy wheels.
From a handling standpoint, the 2004 S2000 features improved steering response and accuracy with a more linear overall feel. At-the-limit controllability has also been enhanced along with vehicle stability under heavy accelerator on/off situations
For 2004, modifications have been made to enhance performance at the limit, improve control and reduce unwanted sensitivity to internal and external forces during acceleration and braking. Overall suspension geometry has been enhanced by changing the initial rear toe and bump steer settings, lowering the roll center, and optimizing the shock absorbers, spring rates, stabilizer bar and body rigidity.
For 2004, S2000 torsional body rigidity has been further increased by 10-percent in the front and 9-percent in the back through the use of four strategic sets of new reinforcements on the body and chassis.
* Reinforcements have been added to the rear wheel house bulkhead
* Reinforcements have been added to the front cross members
* Brackets have been added to the front upper A-arms
* A performance rod has been added to the front cross member
- Rear control arms lengthened
- Spring changes: Front: Increased spring rate 6.7% Rear: Decreased spring rate 10%
- Stiffened cross-members, joints and bulkheads increase torsional rigidity
- Steering rack ratio increase slightly to reduce high-speed nervousness
- Steering Gear Ratio now 14.9:1 from 13.8:1 - tuned to match new tire size
- Rear sway bar thinner
- Upgraded brakes incorporating an ABS system that features yaw control logic
- Brake pads redesigned
Larger wheel and tires for the 2004 S2000 improve overall grip and cornering performance. The S2000 features Bridgestone Potenza RE 050 215/45R 17 87W front tires, mounted on 17 x 7.0 jj aluminum-alloy wheels. The rear tires are 245/40R 17 91W and are mounted on 17 x 8.5 jj aluminum-alloy wheels.
Originally Posted by JLUDE
It is easier for experienced drivers to handle an Ap2 on a track.
People are welcome to their opinions on the different versions of the car, but they should at least make informed opinions. Most people have no idea how the two cars are similar and different beyond the tachometer.