im sorry if you can't understand that simple sentence, then you are very ignorant and don't deserve the s2k. now i know why honda rejects warranty claims when its 100% owners fault.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by DaveA
[B]Now, remember...

 

I've got agree with Paul on this. If I am going to be held liable for something that happens, tell me the situation that it will happen in. Don't tell my I've done something wrong without telling me how to do it right.

I don't think Paul is arguing that mistakes don't happen, I think he's clearly stating that Honda should provide better information about a situation which has been costly to many owners.

And yes, the owner's manual is about safe operation of the particular vehicle. Shift points (both up and down) should be part of that. Traffic signs are covered under the premise of your license to drive a car. If a manual came with my car, and I failed to read it, I should be at fault. If I read it and the information isn't there, don't hold me at fault.

I also agree that common sense has died, or more accurately, been run over by the need to blame someone else for 'our' mistakes. The McD's coffee case was absolutely ridiculous. There is another (still ongoing?) case about a fat guy suing McD's as well - you know, "if I didn't eat McD's 8x a day, I wouldn't be 300 lbs overweight." -Shut up! and get to the gym!

 

Threads like this are the reason someone very wise created the "Ignore" button.

 

You: My name is ____, and I overreved.
Honda: Warranty claim denied.

End of story.

 

Thanks Gary, that's all I was saying.

I have been driving over 20 years and never downshifted and let out the clutch completely, thereby overrevving the engine. I've also made a graph of S2000 gearing, so I'm certainly not lacking any information I need to drive the car properly.

I just think it's a huge brain fart for Honda, for instance, to put over 50 pages of safety instructions in my Element owner's manual (not to mention putting bright permanent stickers on my sun visors) and then offer the same stupid sentence (as they did for the S2000) that doesn't tell me what I need to know about downshifting safely.

Part of my job as a Mechanical Engineer is Technical Writing. These kind of things just offend me more than the average person.

I was never suggesting that the driver has the responsibility to know the car he/she is driving and know how to drive. I was simply stating that Honda has the responsibility to those who actually look to the Owner's manual to educate themselves.

 

Hmmm. Okay Destiny2002. Well, I can see what you're saying about Honda including a lot more info about the things you shouldn't do in this car, and the particular circumstances wherein you shouldn't do them. For some people, they are able to figure these things out by erring on the side of caution, and perhaps with a bit of incremental experimentation where appropriate, but per your postings...

Please add this list as a supplement to your owners manual:

"The Honda S2000 has a race-bred suspension system that allows it to change direction very rapidly and at higher rates of speed than a more conventional vehicle. However, as this may be the case, do not attempt to make a U-turn when travelling at highway speeds (65mph+)."

"The Honda S2000 is not designed to float. Do not attempt to cross rivers, streams, canals, lakes or oceans without some sort of road surface beneath the vehicle. This also applies in the southern hemisphere."



This just goes to show that "common sense" is best judged on a sliding scale...

 

You bought an Element? I thought you were straight?

You hit the rev limiter when you are racing or driving in with high spirits...sometimes it is better to keep the old eyeballs on the road than on the tach.

 

dude, the element is bad ass!!! I'm buying one as soon as I can!

As far as all the safety/warnings for the element, I think it's b/c the target audience for the car is a lot different than the S2000. Maybe honda made some assumptions. Of course when you do this, you leave yourself open to people taking advantage of it.

 

This thread is too funny. Should I not be using my hands to operate the brake pedal? The manual didnt specify how I was supposed to apply the brakes. Maybe thats how I took my eyes off the tach and missed a shift...