My only issue with the AP2 was that they didn't re-badge it the S2200.

Yes, I like my AP1 better, and I wish they had killed the car's production a lot earlier, but I'm glad the AP2-ers are enjoying their cars as well.

 

Cannot agree more ...

Maybe I should brag about my AP1.5. Has all the best changes Honda had on the AP2, yet I have the ~9K redline and CR suspension. woohoo !

Alright ... I shut up now

 

and here...we....go.


first, i will retort to his argument that the ap1 in terms of quality "was honda's best". by stating this, he indirectly states that the ap2 is not of the same quality in terms of build and reliability as the ap1. for purposes of my argument, i will present exhibit A


EX. A

it is in this post that he explicitly states that the quality of the ap1 is "best". however, upon doing some simple research i was able to find the TSB list for the first year ap1 and the first year of the ap2.
it will be lised below as exhibit b

EX. B

as you have probably noted in the above list, this comprehensive list of TSb's was posted in 2006, thus giving 6 years for the ap1 to accrue TSB's ans the ap2 only 3 years to accrue TSB's. please note as well that this thread was posted in november of 2006, at which point the 2007 s2000's were being released, esffectively making the 2004 s2000 a three year old car at this point. to make this comparason as fair and unbiased as possible, i will compare the number of TSB's for thre first 3 years of the 2000 s2000 and the first three years of the 2004 s2000

2000 s2000 Total TSB issued untill end of 2002 (3 years comparason) - 46 TSB's

2004 s2000 Total TSB issued untill end of 2006 (3 years comparason) - 45 TSB's

as you can see, the numbers are almost the same. furthermore, alot of the TSB's issued for the ap1 have carried over to the ap2, which begs one to question if the quality of the vehicle went down or remained the same.


furthermore, i dont believe in the ap2 > ap1 philosophy or vice versa but since you asked me to provide data to prove my point that the ap2 is not subpar in build quality, i believe that the above said and aforementioned information should appease your request for data to prove my point.

lastly, seeing as how im probably going to lose anyways cause following this post, i am expecting this thread to either

a. turn into another signature ap1 vs. ap2 thread
b. me get flamed for caring enough to write this long post (which i happened to be doing while i take a relaxing shit on my god given day off from work)
c. get locked
d. all of the above

ill just chalk this one up as a reminder to not take some people so serious and buy the next round of beers.

 

how did i put quotes around words that he never used when i quoted verbatem what he posted?

my argument has nothing to do with him belief that the s2000 list its "f1 heritage" when it was moved to a different plant. that is his opinion and he is entitled to have said opinion. i never challenged nor disagreed with his opinion on that specific issue. the only thing i challenged was his statement that the ap1 maintained the best "build quality, which i do believe to have disproven as unbiased as possible.

further more, he did infact state that the ap1 build quality "was best". by stating this, it would be fair to interpret that in his eyes, the ap2 is "next to best", since basic logic dictates that there cant be two "best" or two "first place winners".

summarily, im not criticizing his belief that the s2000 list its f1 connection when moved from the original plant, but i am calling him out on his statement that the ap1 maintains a better build quality. ironically, i dont even really care too much now about his statement. i took it as a sort of insult to the ap2 but quickly got over it since i usually dont fret over that sort of thing for too long. now im simply arguing because i like to argue, reminds me of high school when i took debate class, lol.

 

lastly, id like to show an offering of peace cause i really dont feel like arguing this too much more



enjoy guys!

 

Works for me.



fltsfshr

 

The AP1 is a lighter vehicle, but a lot of that comes from bigger wheels on the newer cars, stiffer body and all the little stuff they added onto the AP2s (that weren't necesary imo). I would love to have the JDM 2004 that had the AP2 body with a 9k redline.

Also, I believe the rating Honda had on that page is under the older measurement system for horsepower. They should have the same horsepower if I am not mistaken. Also, from the tests that I've seen, the stock AP1 vs AP2, the AP1 is not quite as quick which they have mentioned may be due to the smaller wheels. I do feel the AP1 is a more hardcore version of the S2000 because it does have stiffer suspension, I believe the old ones didn't even have a clock in them. They just felt/sounded more like a racecar.

But I do not feel that it has lost any of it's heritage. It's just been made more civilized as a daily.






Back to the original topic though...I really hope that things pic up again because I was heart broken when I heard the new NSX concept had been scrapped. That and Honda said they dropped out of F1 and scrapped the supercar in order to focus more on their green vehicles. Give me a sportscar.

 

Cheers.

 

237hp vs. 240hp whop ti dooo. I'm so jealous that my car make 3 hp less. Oh wait doesn't ap2 consistently make more to the wheel hp than ap1? You know, the one hp measurement that actually count. Who cares!!!