Looking for an aftermarket fuel rail
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Originally Posted by 2QYK4U,Nov 8 2006, 09:56 PM
Hondata has done some sort of testing and had found that the returnless fuel system can only support ~8 psi of boost.
At some point in the diminishing fuel pressure (relative to manifold absolute or MAP pressure) the spray pattern on the injector will fall apart. The injector requires a certain amount of DP (45 psi) across the nozzle in order to create a fine mist. If the DP gets too low, large drops of fuel go to combustion chamber and slow down combustion rate. So even with upgrade to high flow fuel pump and/or larger injectors, the lack of adjustment in the FPR to rise with boost pressure will limit operation.
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Originally Posted by snakeeater,Nov 9 2006, 09:06 AM
Unfortunately you can't run a boost reference line to the FPR since it's now in the fuel tank. So the fuel pressure regulator (insulated from boost reference signal due to its location) cannot give more fuel pressure under boost. That means that the pressure differential across the injector's nozzle (between fuel rail and intake manifold) is dropping 1psi forevery 1psi boost rises.
At some point in the diminishing fuel pressure (relative to manifold absolute or MAP pressure) the spray pattern on the injector will fall apart. The injector requires a certain amount of DP (45 psi) across the nozzle in order to create a fine mist. If the DP gets too low, large drops of fuel go to combustion chamber and slow down combustion rate. So even with upgrade to high flow fuel pump and/or larger injectors, the lack of adjustment in the FPR to rise with boost pressure will limit operation.
At some point in the diminishing fuel pressure (relative to manifold absolute or MAP pressure) the spray pattern on the injector will fall apart. The injector requires a certain amount of DP (45 psi) across the nozzle in order to create a fine mist. If the DP gets too low, large drops of fuel go to combustion chamber and slow down combustion rate. So even with upgrade to high flow fuel pump and/or larger injectors, the lack of adjustment in the FPR to rise with boost pressure will limit operation.
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You'll have to run a vacuum line to the FPR as well no? Unless you just relocate it to the usual spot on the front rail which sounds easier. But running a fuel line all the way to the back sounds like a lot of work.
I wish I had went to SEMA to see how the Greddy turbo car was setup in this respect.
I wish I had went to SEMA to see how the Greddy turbo car was setup in this respect.
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Originally Posted by Boofster,Nov 9 2006, 09:53 AM
You'll have to run a vacuum line to the FPR as well no? Unless you just relocate it to the usual spot on the front rail which sounds easier. But running a fuel line all the way to the back sounds like a lot of work.
I wish I had went to SEMA to see how the Greddy turbo car was setup in this respect.
I wish I had went to SEMA to see how the Greddy turbo car was setup in this respect.
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Originally Posted by 2QYK4U,Nov 9 2006, 10:31 AM
The stock FPR will be removed from the fuel tank and an aftermarket FPR will be used and placed somewhere in the engine bay.
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Originally Posted by Boofster,Nov 9 2006, 01:04 PM
Right but the fuel return line that will come off your new FPR up front will need to be routed all the way under the car and back to the tank no? Maybe the an earlier model fuel line would work hmm...
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Here is a fuel diagram for the MY05:
Here is a fuel diagram for the MY06:
As you can see a whole lot has changed. I don't think we could simply swap the fuel lines (#19 for MY05 and #17 for MY06).
Here is a fuel diagram for the MY06:
As you can see a whole lot has changed. I don't think we could simply swap the fuel lines (#19 for MY05 and #17 for MY06).
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Originally Posted by Boofster,Nov 9 2006, 02:40 PM
From looking at that, it seems you want to add line #28 and just T into B-3-1. I'm going to go read my Helms when I get home. It would probably be easier to run a ss line.
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