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I think S2000 drivers are dangerous not there cars.

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Old 02-18-2012 | 06:54 AM
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On a car with a clutch, I don't recommend left-foot braking to students. Reason: for most of the corners they'll encounter at the track, they will need to downshift.

I don't think encouraging someone who doesn't know how to drive to left-foot brake on the street is necessarily a great idea either! Let them learn how to drive properly while right-foot braking first.
Old 02-18-2012 | 07:25 AM
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Nice rant, yep lotta dicks out there. I think it's too damn easy to get a driver's license and now it's too damn easy to own an S with AP1 prices.
Old 02-18-2012 | 07:40 AM
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Hmmm...alright because you asked so kindly, Ill put the hate aside.

However I would like to question some of your suggestions, if you dont mind.

you can't have 100% grip for both accelerating and turning or braking at the same time
This sounds rather obvious so perhaps its just bad wording? I believe what your trying to say is that when turning it is hard to maintain 100% grip when trying to accelerate OR brake as well. You could have simply stated not to expect 100% grip when turning so avoid heavy braking or full throttle.

4. Now that you arent freaking out and you arent banging the gears and you arent overloading the tires by doing to much it's time to read up on left foot braking.
I'm also baffled on this so pardon my apparent ignorance. I believe telling people to brake with their left foot is going to cause more problems than it will fix. Besides under what street conditions would someone honestly find themselves in a position to use this?! I find that there is already rare occasions to heel toe on the street since you are rarely needing to brake hard and fast enough or needing to downshift in the middle of a turn. Also note I spoke with a friend who drove indy cars and even he stated he would NEVER use left foot braking.


I wont even bother quoting your last few paragraphs because I feel its all horrible advice. First, why are you even comparing street driving to track driving? Do you not understand the purpose of the track? I get that a technical track course may not be as random as the street but then again neither are these two forms of driving styles.

The purpose of going to the track besides having a great time is to push your car to its limits so that you get a better understanding of your car and can appreciate the experience in a controlled environment. You should never be pushing your cars limits when on the street even if you can control it on the track. Driving aggressivly and at high speeds on "street like" conditions is irrelevant since you should never be driving aggressive and at such high speeds on the street anyways! Get it?

I find this next quote humerous as any experienced track driver is pretty much doing this as they change hand positioning to get better steering wheel grip through turns and are changing feet positioning while braking, shifting, and accelerating constantly. This is an attribute that WILL improve your driving even on the street as it improves your control.

Easy with your hands and feet its not dance dance usa
I honestly feel like your suggesting people to drive in track conditions that are similar to the street so that you can drive like you would on the track, in the street. When all you should be saying is SLOW DOWN or take it to the track!

And my aplogies I really did try to put aside the hate but when your giving horrible advice and make yourself sound like an ignorant ... prick, then yes Im going to call you out.
Old 02-18-2012 | 08:31 AM
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AP1s are now at a price point that teenagers with part time jobs can afford them. We've been seeing this coming for quite a while now.
Old 02-18-2012 | 08:57 AM
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I don't think what has been stated is specific to the S2000. Rather, sports cars (and by some extension, fast/powerful cars) in general elicit bone-headed behavior everywhere. Combine that with immature drivers, and you have a good recipe for the stuff you're ranting about.
Old 02-18-2012 | 09:15 AM
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It doesn't matter what you drive. In my opinion, 90% or better are terrible drivers. I see it every day. Making me wish I had machine guns tucked away in the fenders for use when needed, like James Bond.
Old 02-18-2012 | 11:41 AM
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When I made the question about left foot braking I was trying to make it a smart ass question. Glad to see ZDan posted because I believe left foot braking is useless too. ZDan knows his stuff
Old 02-18-2012 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Duke Togo
Originally Posted by ChrisHS2000' timestamp='1329528004' post='21425949
It's "their", not "there".
I'm glad you care, next.
If you're going to jump up on a soap box, you should at least proofread your post before you submit it. It's hard to take someone seriously when they don't understand the difference between 'there' and 'their'.

Anyway, I've never seen another S on the road drive recklessly and the few that I have seen were driving very safe.
Old 02-18-2012 | 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by FluKy15
When I made the question about left foot braking I was trying to make it a smart ass question. Glad to see ZDan posted because I believe left foot braking is useless too. ZDan knows his stuff
I don't think ZDan said it's totally useless. I believe he is suggesting that most drivers should not be left foot braking until they reach a certain level...

On the street, totally useless. It is useful for some corners at some tracks, depending on the car. At TMP for instance, turn 14, I usually give a small tap on the brake pedal with my left foot. Ditto for Turns 1 and 4 at MIR. It's not uncommon for an experienced driver to left-foot brake on race tracks.

Anyhow, back to the original post. How is this guy not banned from S2KI yet?
Old 02-18-2012 | 01:34 PM
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These are the types of people OP is talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKfSL...ure=plpp_video


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