Is is the car or the driver? This argument has been going on since the first of these cars hit the road (and then the wall). It seems like those with more experience with RWD and sports cars are sure it's the driver, and those new to sports cars are convinced it's the car.

I think sometimes it comes down to a definition of terms:

What I call "agile", some call "unstable"
What I call "quick steering" others call "twitchy or nervous"
What I call "short precise throws" other call "notchy"
What I call "great tires" others call "short lived"

Sometimes it's not a definition of terms:

What I call a "crappy sound system" others call a "crappy sound system"

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Colin
[B]Is is the car or the driver?

 

lol...

 

I have a feeling no one has checked out the "lesson" link. . . please do and report back.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by dlq04
[B]I have a feeling no one has checked out the "lesson" link. . .

 

No hidden message in the link, just lots of laughs.

One final thought on the original topic. I think some of the comments have been very good but a few have been pretty harsh on the original poster.

I had several years of sports car driving under my belt in a Triumph Spitfire and racing go-carts but I can still recall doing a 360 much as he described. I owned a '63 Corvette at the time which could put gobs of power to the rear wheels quickly, there was a light rain, and I doing a little showing off for a friend. Fortunately we were lucky and did not hit anything. If there are any hero drivers out there that think they somehow are above making a driving error, mental or otherwise, they should think again. I certainly side with those that suggest a good school or learning the limits of yourself and your car out of harms way.

BTW, what I call "notchy" does become "hardly notchy at all" after several thousand miles of careful shifting and break-in.

 

I totally agree with this statement. I've never disputed it. We can ALL make mistakes or errors in judgement and execution. This is the gist of most of the responses here. I just think that most people get a bit testy when the blame is put on the car. You'll find this same topic come up from time to time on the Viper forums, the Vette forums, the ................. !
I also agree that perhaps some responses have been too harsh on the original poster. After all, he was just trying to relate to us another "experience" and maybe commiserate with us and get a little sympathy. Instead of what we ended up saying, we could have said stuff like, "Well, tuck that away in your memory and you'll be more careful next time". "Another initiation into RWD, welcome to the club." "Care must be taken when conditions are not ideal."

 

Haha, I did that once, just to scare my buddy. Got the tail end to shift to the side a bit, then let go of throttle and quickly corrected. It's pretty fun, but dangerous.