Here are the total S2000 sales in the US
#22
Originally Posted by Station,Oct 7 2004, 12:58 AM
Because all those cars sold in 1999 were '00 models. 3400+6797=10,197 for the '00 model year.
#24
Originally Posted by exceltoexcel,Oct 6 2004, 07:21 PM
I'll point out that <10,000 cars really stinks.
I think they have more-than succeded with this car.
#25
Originally Posted by Unit-X,Oct 6 2004, 11:13 PM
Yes honda sells less, yes they make less profit but for the consumer, it drives the value of them high in the used car market and that is also the reason why honda has the highest residual value in practically all of their cars as compared to the rest of the market.
Honda, just like any corporation, wants sales. In order to get these sales, it'll cater to the needs of all people... but most people aren't enthusiasts... most are potential civic and accord drivers. That is why those two models are mass produced... as apposed to the s2000 which is hardly produced.
If you were a corporate head, would you want people to buy your cars new from you, or used from some John Doe? New from you = money in your pocket, Used from John Doe = NO money in your pocket... hmm...
#28
Originally Posted by Elistan,Oct 6 2004, 10:26 PM
Do you realize that's TWICE what Honda originally intended to produce? This car was NEVER intended to be a big seller. They're not trying to saturate a market. They're trying to appeal to driving enthusiasts.
#29
Originally Posted by Unit-X,Oct 6 2004, 11:13 PM
Being with honda for 3 years I can say this:
The only cars in honda that are mass produced is civics and accords. With that given, we're not even talking about every single model.
They 99-04 Odyssey completely blew the minivan market away. Even still, the average dealer only gets 10-15 of these a month. Yes honda sells less, yes they make less profit but for the consumer, it drives the value of them high in the used car market and that is also the reason why honda has the highest residual value in practically all of their cars as compared to the rest of the market.
The only cars in honda that are mass produced is civics and accords. With that given, we're not even talking about every single model.
They 99-04 Odyssey completely blew the minivan market away. Even still, the average dealer only gets 10-15 of these a month. Yes honda sells less, yes they make less profit but for the consumer, it drives the value of them high in the used car market and that is also the reason why honda has the highest residual value in practically all of their cars as compared to the rest of the market.
#30
If Honda wants to sell more of these things (and that's a big "if" because unless you work in the corporate offices the best you can do is guess at what the intentions and future plans are) then they need to get out and b*tch slap their dealers.
I looked at the S2000 in 2001 and ended up buying a Miata because the dealer wouldn't budge from his $8k 'market adjustment.' I went to four different dealers in the Portland metro area and got the same story from each of them ($5k - $8k 'market adjustment' because "we don't have as much profit built into our MSRP as the North American car dealers"... apparently when the turnip truck went past the dealership they saw me fall off).
Then this past summer I decided to look again at the '04 and the 19-year-old salesman was trying to tell me it was "a $40,000 sports car, 'cause that's what's on the sticker..." He neglected to mention a chunk of that was 'pure profit' (oops, I mean 'market adjustment'). Now some of this was my fault. I figured if this dealer was doing it they were all doing it again. Came to find out later I could have gotten one for $30k (they gave me the price over the phone without any haggling).
So what did I do? I went out and found a used 2002 with Honda Certified warranty. I had been planning on getting rid of my Miata and getting an '04. This way I kept the Miata and got the S.
I looked at the S2000 in 2001 and ended up buying a Miata because the dealer wouldn't budge from his $8k 'market adjustment.' I went to four different dealers in the Portland metro area and got the same story from each of them ($5k - $8k 'market adjustment' because "we don't have as much profit built into our MSRP as the North American car dealers"... apparently when the turnip truck went past the dealership they saw me fall off).
Then this past summer I decided to look again at the '04 and the 19-year-old salesman was trying to tell me it was "a $40,000 sports car, 'cause that's what's on the sticker..." He neglected to mention a chunk of that was 'pure profit' (oops, I mean 'market adjustment'). Now some of this was my fault. I figured if this dealer was doing it they were all doing it again. Came to find out later I could have gotten one for $30k (they gave me the price over the phone without any haggling).
So what did I do? I went out and found a used 2002 with Honda Certified warranty. I had been planning on getting rid of my Miata and getting an '04. This way I kept the Miata and got the S.