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Yes, I use the heel-and-toe technique during spirited driving in the S2000.
66.19%
I can't quite master the heel-and-toe in the S2000.
28.06%
No heel-and-toe for me. I'm still figuring out how to drive a stick shift!
5.76%
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Old 01-28-2002 | 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by RedMenace
An earlier thread questioned the real need for heel-and-toe down-shifting with well-synchronized trannies like we have on the S2000. On the street, I rarely use/need this technique. I'm sure there are purists out there who would disagree.
A well-synchronized transmission does not require double-clutching, but
it does not mean you don't have to heel-toe. The purpose of a heel-toe
downshift is to match clutch speed to wheel speed so the downshift is not
felt (no engine braking.)

See the book "Going Faster" for a detailed description.
Old 01-28-2002 | 07:55 AM
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i've never seen a car that didn't require double-clutching on a 2-1 downshift.

am i the only one to downshift to first? (ever race in bad weather on a slow track?)
Old 01-28-2002 | 08:24 AM
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Heel-toe shifting is just braking, rev matching and downshifting all at once. That said, I do it every opportunity I get. Sometimes I get really fast on empty roads and heel-toe downshift just to practice.

No, double clutching IS NOT necessary to get into 1st gear. All it does is scrub time from your auto-x score
Old 01-28-2002 | 08:55 AM
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Spirited driving?
Heel & Toe is a technique for everyday driving. I heel/toe when I'm driving the truck and that is clearly not spirited.
The heel/toe technique allows me to brake and downshift at the same time which smoothes out the ride and if the truck is loaded the least amount of weight transfer keeps the stuff in the back from rolling around.
I suggest you do this every day. The more practice you get, the better you will be, the smoother it will be. When you have mastered it, it will become a habit and you will not even have to think about it. Then all you have to do is remember what you are driving, because when I forget I sometimes blip the throttle in the car the way I do in the truck and suddenly I have way too many rpms!
Old 01-28-2002 | 01:02 PM
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all the time
Old 01-28-2002 | 01:31 PM
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This is a snobby poll. Where is the option "Only when I am downshifting to first while going 60 mph at impending brake lock"? This car has synchros, why not use them?
Old 01-28-2002 | 01:35 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by RandyP
[B]This is a snobby poll.
Old 01-28-2002 | 01:50 PM
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RandyP,

Once again, heel-toe downshifting has zero (0) to do with synchros.

- Warren
Old 01-28-2002 | 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by chroot
RandyP,

Once again, heel-toe downshifting has zero (0) to do with synchros.

- Warren
Yes it does. Synchros allow downshifts without rev matching (ie heel and toe) or grinding gears. As I said, if I am not at 100% brake or cornering, I can afford to have some transmission induced braking as I downshift without rev matching. IF I AM WRONG, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF SYNCHROS?
Old 01-28-2002 | 02:05 PM
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Originally posted by chroot
RandyP,

Once again, heel-toe downshifting has zero (0) to do with synchros.

- Warren
LOL, I've been biting my tongue
Wouldn't it be nice if one day people didn't get heel-toe and double clutching issues confused?
Seems a reoccurring theme every time either subject is broached


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