BlownAP

both AP1s and AP2s can see great gains with tuning alone, early AP1's will see the most improvement over stock because it runs so damn rich from the factory.....


with a good piggyback like Greddy ult emanage. just tuning alone will yield atleast 10 WHP and trq. throughout the entire powerband.....

if you wanna get really serious go the route wildcardtrd went and get the AEM EMS.

cthree

Here's the rub. There is no doubting YOU got 22 whp from tuning but that doesn't mean ANYONE can get 22 whp. Not all cars start out the same. You started lower than average so a big chunk of what you got was just to get you to baseline. I got 201whp stock, 205 with a VAFC. Extrapolating that's 19whp more than you started with so 22+ with an AEM gets you 208, 3 more than I got with conservative VAFC settings.

In other words, if you dyno your car for a baseline and you get less than about 195 then you need an ECU to get you to where you should be (you are getting robbed). Once you get to a normal level (196-202 allowing for calibration) then you can measure +/- from there. Saying you got 22whp is deceptive because to someone else it might only mean 5 or 6. What you get out of the box is entirely random. You can't assume that everyone starts out the same and that gains are shared equally by everyone.

s2k08

Has the GReddy Emanage system been out long enough for any long or short term problems to arise?

thanks,

Frank

Pawan

Mustang Dyno gives about 5% less read out than Dyno jet. So his 208 WHP is about 220 WHP on dyno jet. You can only compare #s on the same type of dyno and same calculation formula (SAE, STD, Japanese Standard, etc.)

Hope this help

RACER

My car dynoed at 206 rwhp bone stock.

Pawan

I've seen many dynos for the S. They are not random at all. If the spec is the same, using the same dyno, same CF, and similar condition then the readout will be very close.

Also, the ecu only retune itself during partial throttle. At WOT, the ecu goes into "closed loop" which are all the same for any S (of that same year).

cthree Your 205whp is with stock timing and conservative fuel cure. If you use EMS that allow you to tune the timing (@ each specific RPM) and be a bit more aggressive on AFR. Your gain will be much more substantial like in the case of wildcardtrd.

wildcardtrd

I see where the point that you are trying to make, and I am aware that I had better than normal results. My point is that ECU tuning does make a major difference, whether someone's car is being "robbed" from factory, or outputting typical numbers. Anyway you look at it, MY car benefitted greatly from an ECU tune, and I wanted to relay that information along. For all he knows, he's being "robbed" too.

wildcardtrd

Yep, once 2rwerks started modifying my timing maps, that's when the car started making serious power.

bigteninch

OK, so what's the least expensive way (read: is there a way to "tune" w/out a stand-alone system) to tune. So basically people are tweaking the AF throughout along with activating the v-tec at what rpm?

Please don't flame, still learning!!

Thanks

kane.s2k

You make power with timing, not so much with afr's. Comparing a V-AFC to a AEM EMS is like apples to oranges.