AP1 vs AP2 – An Owner's Perspective
#21
#22
Originally Posted by Lazyrider69' timestamp='1392609218' post='23018959
[quote name='Fokker' timestamp='1392606037' post='23018893']
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkcC2uzcQgk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkcC2uzcQgk
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My point is that THAT particular video is a bunch of guys goofing around on a track.... Yet it is so often referred to in these discussions as some way to level discussion...... put Motoharu "gan san" Kurosawa in that AP1 on that day and see what result is... lol
The AP2 was adapted for exactly what Honda thought the U.S. market wanted. "refined" is synonymous as "softer" and less "edgy".... Not the original vision for what the car was suppose to be....
Take a look at old air cooled... more visceral Porsche 911s. Prices through the roof for the "pure" experience...
Love the Ap2... almost bought one..... but in 1999 when I first saw the S2000 I wanted THAT car... Couldn't justify it as a daily driver or without a garage at time..... SO HAPPY I have a Subaru Outback to get around in all the snow this year..... S2000 tucked away under cover in garage......
#23
Registered User
Sorry, but Your review was just ok for me.
After reading the title, I was interested in your in depth analysis having owned both, but the write up that followed fell way short.
I have an 2003...
Then, I will have the best of both worlds. A 9000 red line which we all AP2 owners secretly know is better (but will never admit), and better handling than an AP2!!
After reading the title, I was interested in your in depth analysis having owned both, but the write up that followed fell way short.
I have an 2003...
Then, I will have the best of both worlds. A 9000 red line which we all AP2 owners secretly know is better (but will never admit), and better handling than an AP2!!
#25
Registered User
Here's the suspension comparison of all S2000 models:
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/818...page__hl__sway
Summary of swaybars:
Front/rear lb/in
'00-'01: 393/427
'02-'03: 300/396
'04-'07: 300/311
'08-'09: 354/311
'08-'09 CR: 392/362
Changing the rear bar on AP1 cars is the easy way to get more rear grip.
#26
Listen, everyone is biased to his/her own S2000 so this debate will never end...
Not to mention, Honda made the improvements pretty much based off on what people complain about the AP1 and work from there. Tail happy, okay, less tail happy for the AP2; not enough torque for daily drive, okay, more less end torque for the AP2...Honda made the improvements according to what the customers wanted, makes total sense, profits profits profits.
But that doesn't always conclude the AP2 is a better car than the AP1. Opinions? That would depend on what kind of driver you are and/or what you use the S2000 for. So it's all individual preferences.
Not to mention, Honda made the improvements pretty much based off on what people complain about the AP1 and work from there. Tail happy, okay, less tail happy for the AP2; not enough torque for daily drive, okay, more less end torque for the AP2...Honda made the improvements according to what the customers wanted, makes total sense, profits profits profits.
But that doesn't always conclude the AP2 is a better car than the AP1. Opinions? That would depend on what kind of driver you are and/or what you use the S2000 for. So it's all individual preferences.
#28
Listen, everyone is biased to his/her own S2000 so this debate will never end...
Not to mention, Honda made the improvements pretty much based off on what people complain about the AP1 and work from there. Tail happy, okay, less tail happy for the AP2; not enough torque for daily drive, okay, more less end torque for the AP2...Honda made the improvements according to what the customers wanted, makes total sense, profits profits profits.
But that doesn't always conclude the AP2 is a better car than the AP1. Opinions? That would depend on what kind of driver you are and/or what you use the S2000 for. So it's all individual preferences.
Not to mention, Honda made the improvements pretty much based off on what people complain about the AP1 and work from there. Tail happy, okay, less tail happy for the AP2; not enough torque for daily drive, okay, more less end torque for the AP2...Honda made the improvements according to what the customers wanted, makes total sense, profits profits profits.
But that doesn't always conclude the AP2 is a better car than the AP1. Opinions? That would depend on what kind of driver you are and/or what you use the S2000 for. So it's all individual preferences.
They tweaked the s2000 mainly here in USA first, and changes made were definitely "improvements" as far as driver assist, but it wasn't the ESSENCE of what they originally set out to make... And it is this "ESSENCE" of what the Ap1 was that really makes the argument of Ap1 vs. Ap2 silly.... Because in the end there is nothing like the original
#29
its more along the lines of varying the rear to front roll stiffness ratio. People that run non staggered tires ( 255 all around) will tend to run a rear ap2 bar since it is less stiff than any ap1 rear bar. This is due to the increased oversteer that a 255 square setup induces.
#30
Originally Posted by 05thumper' timestamp='1392697160' post='23020690
So what exactly do the AP2 swaybars do for an AP1? Probably has been covered 1,000,000 times but since it was brought up I figured why not ask.
Here's the suspension comparison of all S2000 models:
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/818...page__hl__sway
Summary of swaybars:
Front/rear lb/in
'00-'01: 393/427
'02-'03: 300/396
'04-'07: 300/311
'08-'09: 354/311
'08-'09 CR: 392/362
Changing the rear bar on AP1 cars is the easy way to get more rear grip.