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Old 09-09-2015 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by superchargedk20
Can we also ask which oil/trans/diff fluids to use too?!!? Pleeeeeeaase!
I lol'd at this for real hahaha OP I'd say u should take the ap2 for a test drive and see if you like it
Old 09-09-2015 | 08:01 PM
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06+ + Flashpro = Win.

I've had 6 S2000's. Trust me when i tell you that the 06+ will make you much happier.

00 AP1 - Hated it. Plastic window.
02 AP1 - Crashed
03 AP1 - Best AP1
05 AP2 - Hated it.
08 AP2 - Love it. Still have
08 CR - Best among them all because CR = Cool Racecar.
Old 09-10-2015 | 01:23 AM
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I have a 2002 ap1 and i think the 2004-2005 ap2's are the best ones to get. I would always stay away from the 06+ due to them having a return less fuel system which means the fuel system will not support big turbo power unless you dump $1000 plus to convert to a return fuel system.

The return less fuel system and the DBW really kill the 06+ for me.

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Old 09-10-2015 | 02:20 AM
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The same power characteristics can be had with a non DBW 04-05 ap2. Don't need a flashpro to achieve that.
Still need an aftermarket engine computer.

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Old 09-10-2015 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by s2000Junky
The same power characteristics can be had with a non DBW 04-05 ap2. Don't need a flashpro to achieve that. But some prefer a DBW s2k. I do not. I think the 04-05 retains most the rawness the ap1 does which made it a fun car, wile refining some things that needed refining. The ap2 drive train is better and so is the rear suspension geometry.
And as much as I like the 9k redline, the Ap2 offered me more enjoyment for the rest of the driving experience. Eleven years in and I still haven't felt the need to tune for power.

Everyone is different, but when I bought my S it was after back to back test drives in an 03 and 04. For me, the updates made for a better driving experience, and 04-05 were the last years of mechanical throttle, for better or worse.
Old 09-10-2015 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Chuck S
The same power characteristics can be had with a non DBW 04-05 ap2. Don't need a flashpro to achieve that.
Still need an aftermarket engine computer.

-- Chuck
A NEO and a adjustable fpr/wideband. Or Emanage. Done!
Old 09-10-2015 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Saki GT
Originally Posted by s2000Junky' timestamp='1441840776' post='23742390

The same power characteristics can be had with a non DBW 04-05 ap2. Don't need a flashpro to achieve that. But some prefer a DBW s2k. I do not. I think the 04-05 retains most the rawness the ap1 does which made it a fun car, wile refining some things that needed refining. The ap2 drive train is better and so is the rear suspension geometry.
And as much as I like the 9k redline, the Ap2 offered me more enjoyment for the rest of the driving experience. Eleven years in and I still haven't felt the need to tune for power.

Everyone is different, but when I bought my S it was after back to back test drives in an 03 and 04. For me, the updates made for a better driving experience, and 04-05 were the last years of mechanical throttle, for better or worse.
Yeah I agree. I run an 01 chassis, but with ap2 drive train and rear sway so its sort of a hybrid, on top of my modifications. So its better then any S out of the box, but if I had to do it over again id probably just start out with an 04-05 and swap over some ap1 body work and front steering rack etc. I will never go back to an F20. They make no torque and they use oil. I don’t care about the rpm limit, that can be changed. I run my 01 ecu with an F22 anyway.
Old 09-10-2015 | 10:14 AM
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usually if you ask an AP@ owner he/she will tell you that year is best. I have driven both and never one newer than mine which is a 2004 AP2. I chose the ap2 at the time(new) cause I enjoyed the "refined" changes the 04 offered over the 03 and older cars. I will bet most dbw 06 and newer owners will tell you their choice is best, etc....

All I know is that after 12 years this month I enjoy the car continually and cannot find something else to replace it. I have owned 27 cars to date, includes 2 miata's which are also a great car. The S2000 is the next step up.

Just go drive a few different years and you will know the answer to your question better than anyone else here!
Old 09-10-2015 | 12:12 PM
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Many many opinions out there . It really depends on what you plan on doing with the car . If it is going to be a track car then the Ap1 is the car to have . If you plan on a daily then the Ap2 is the obvious choice . One is a basic hardcore car and the other is more daily driver friendly .The Cr is the exception here though . Again just my own humble opinion and you will hear many more of them on this forum .
Old 09-10-2015 | 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 2wheelsand4
I wanted the ap1 purely for the 9k redline but is it really worth it?
For me AP1 was worth it. I owned an 03 AP1 for 6 years and switched to a 3k mile 08 AP2. I just didn't enjoy the AP2 as much as my old AP1, so after a year I sold the 08 and got another AP1. The run from 8k to 9k was sorely missed when using it as a sports car. And I didn't like VSA, traction control, electronic throttle, understeer, softer suspension, slower steering rack, slower clutch, heavier flywheel, daytime running lights, TPMS. It felt like a lot of things were getting in the way of having fun driving.

After owning both, AP1 is more fun for me.


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