2006 S2000 Brochure
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Some people just don't understand. It's going right over their heads. It's not that we want a super raw bare bones sports car. We just don't want a 350Z, Z4, Boxster. We want something for less money, that out performs these cars, and has a more performance oriented attitude. As a road car, Honda is not going to sell a lot of S2000's if they aren't loaded with power features. But when they add things that interfere with the inputs from the driver, it's lacking the spirit it once had. In 2003, when they introduced the face lift and new motor, I really like everything, they kept the spirit of the car. Now they are making this car more of a Z4 or 350Z. I bought this car because I didn't want to fight a computer to get it to do what I was telling it. I bought the car because it was obvious it's purpose was to showcase Honda's performance side. The car was great on the road, but it's at home on a race track or canyon road. I know these changes are small, but I truly think it's a step in the wrong direction. I know many of you will say, Just turn VSA off, that's not the point, it's the principle of why they are making it standard in this car.
Most of all I am just worried that the new changes will not perform as well as other manufactures systems. What if the DBW sucks, what if the VSA sucks. Then what? Time will tell. But even after I strip the car down for track duty, I can't get rid of the VSA and DBW as easy as I did the carpet. I just don't like the direction. I think they should have gone the other way. I thought the re introduction of the Prelude in the next 2-3 years would be a nice luxury sport touring car, and the S2000 would be a bare bones racing machine.
Most of all I am just worried that the new changes will not perform as well as other manufactures systems. What if the DBW sucks, what if the VSA sucks. Then what? Time will tell. But even after I strip the car down for track duty, I can't get rid of the VSA and DBW as easy as I did the carpet. I just don't like the direction. I think they should have gone the other way. I thought the re introduction of the Prelude in the next 2-3 years would be a nice luxury sport touring car, and the S2000 would be a bare bones racing machine.
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Originally Posted by Boban,Aug 27 2005, 08:10 PM
"VSA is the first step to cars without soul"
ON OFF you know. Choose!
ON OFF you know. Choose!
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Originally Posted by Highrpmek,Aug 29 2005, 02:08 PM
Some people just don't understand. It's going right over their heads. It's not that we want a super raw bare bones sports car. We just don't want a 350Z, Z4, Boxster. We want something for less money, that out performs these cars, and has a more performance oriented attitude. As a road car, Honda is not going to sell a lot of S2000's if they aren't loaded with power features. But when they add things that interfere with the inputs from the driver, it's lacking the spirit it once had. In 2003, when they introduced the face lift and new motor, I really like everything, they kept the spirit of the car. Now they are making this car more of a Z4 or 350Z. I bought this car because I didn't want to fight a computer to get it to do what I was telling it. I bought the car because it was obvious it's purpose was to showcase Honda's performance side. The car was great on the road, but it's at home on a race track or canyon road. I know these changes are small, but I truly think it's a step in the wrong direction. I know many of you will say, Just turn VSA off, that's not the point, it's the principle of why they are making it standard in this car.
Most of all I am just worried that the new changes will not perform as well as other manufactures systems. What if the DBW sucks, what if the VSA sucks. Then what? Time will tell. But even after I strip the car down for track duty, I can't get rid of the VSA and DBW as easy as I did the carpet. I just don't like the direction. I think they should have gone the other way. I thought the re introduction of the Prelude in the next 2-3 years would be a nice luxury sport touring car, and the S2000 would be a bare bones racing machine.
Most of all I am just worried that the new changes will not perform as well as other manufactures systems. What if the DBW sucks, what if the VSA sucks. Then what? Time will tell. But even after I strip the car down for track duty, I can't get rid of the VSA and DBW as easy as I did the carpet. I just don't like the direction. I think they should have gone the other way. I thought the re introduction of the Prelude in the next 2-3 years would be a nice luxury sport touring car, and the S2000 would be a bare bones racing machine.
i bet people were saying the same things when ABS first came about......."i don't want a damn computer to control how much braking i can do".....now ABS is as ubiquitous as powered windows.
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One angle that nobody seems to be mentioning is that at least Honda still seems to care about the car. That is, they're still spending R&D dollars on it. If they've done a good job on the VSA/DBW combo (and I'm assuming they have), then they surely had to spend a fair amount of time and money to get it right. By making this investment, they are showing that the S2000 is still a priority for them.
At least they are trying to stay competitive. Remember, since the S2000's debut, the Z3 has become the Z4, the Boxster has been redesigned, etc. Now, some folks may disagree with how they are choosing to "stay competitive". Some (myself included) might rather they spend their R&D dollars on giving us more horsepower and torque without drastically changing the power-to-weight ratio (maybe a five-cylinder like the prototype). But, at least they're not letting the design stagnate.
Anyway, I definitely understand where the "purists" are coming from when they say they want something closer to an Elise than a Mercedes-Benz SLK350. But I also understand where Honda is coming from in trying to sell more cars.
My 2 cents.
At least they are trying to stay competitive. Remember, since the S2000's debut, the Z3 has become the Z4, the Boxster has been redesigned, etc. Now, some folks may disagree with how they are choosing to "stay competitive". Some (myself included) might rather they spend their R&D dollars on giving us more horsepower and torque without drastically changing the power-to-weight ratio (maybe a five-cylinder like the prototype). But, at least they're not letting the design stagnate.
Anyway, I definitely understand where the "purists" are coming from when they say they want something closer to an Elise than a Mercedes-Benz SLK350. But I also understand where Honda is coming from in trying to sell more cars.
My 2 cents.
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Has anyone seen a memo from Honda confirming that there will be no S2000 in 2007, or is that the same old rumor that's been wrong every year.
when will orders be taken and when will cars arrive?
when will orders be taken and when will cars arrive?
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Originally Posted by UNC04SuzukaBlue,Aug 29 2005, 06:25 PM
One angle that nobody seems to be mentioning is that at least Honda still seems to care about the car. That is, they're still spending R&D dollars on it. If they've done a good job on the VSA/DBW combo (and I'm assuming they have), then they surely had to spend a fair amount of time and money to get it right. By making this investment, they are showing that the S2000 is still a priority for them.
At least they are trying to stay competitive. Remember, since the S2000's debut, the Z3 has become the Z4, the Boxster has been redesigned, etc. Now, some folks may disagree with how they are choosing to "stay competitive". Some (myself included) might rather they spend their R&D dollars on giving us more horsepower and torque without drastically changing the power-to-weight ratio (maybe a five-cylinder like the prototype). But, at least they're not letting the design stagnate.
Anyway, I definitely understand where the "purists" are coming from when they say they want something closer to an Elise than a Mercedes-Benz SLK350. But I also understand where Honda is coming from in trying to sell more cars.
My 2 cents.
At least they are trying to stay competitive. Remember, since the S2000's debut, the Z3 has become the Z4, the Boxster has been redesigned, etc. Now, some folks may disagree with how they are choosing to "stay competitive". Some (myself included) might rather they spend their R&D dollars on giving us more horsepower and torque without drastically changing the power-to-weight ratio (maybe a five-cylinder like the prototype). But, at least they're not letting the design stagnate.
Anyway, I definitely understand where the "purists" are coming from when they say they want something closer to an Elise than a Mercedes-Benz SLK350. But I also understand where Honda is coming from in trying to sell more cars.
My 2 cents.
So my point is, what did they need to change. Why did they need to make it more like the competition that it's already a better purchase. I don't think Honda is having trouble selling the S2000, I think Honda is pushing the product in the wrong direction.
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What I don't understand is why (some of) you guys are condemning the changes before you know how they affect the handling/performance of the car. Sorry. You don't have bitching rights until you've felt the effect of the changes and been disappointed.
Lest you forget, the S2000 was a showcase for new technologies when it came out -- EPS, HID, 9K redline with FRM cylinder walls, 6 second convertible top, LEV certification, Al body panels for light weight, X-bone frame...! The list goes on. You can't give Honda grief for picking up on new technologies; that's what this car was all about.
Wait and see, folks, for goodness sake.
Lest you forget, the S2000 was a showcase for new technologies when it came out -- EPS, HID, 9K redline with FRM cylinder walls, 6 second convertible top, LEV certification, Al body panels for light weight, X-bone frame...! The list goes on. You can't give Honda grief for picking up on new technologies; that's what this car was all about.
Wait and see, folks, for goodness sake.
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Originally Posted by blackS2000,Aug 28 2005, 01:30 AM
Thanks for the info.
I am surprised that Honda has given no real reason for early S2000 owners to sell and upgrade. It makes no sense to me to sell my 2002 S2000, lose pretty much half on depreciation in 3 1/2 years, to replace it with new. This has encouraged me more to mod my car with my savings. The mods are on the way...
I am surprised that Honda has given no real reason for early S2000 owners to sell and upgrade. It makes no sense to me to sell my 2002 S2000, lose pretty much half on depreciation in 3 1/2 years, to replace it with new. This has encouraged me more to mod my car with my savings. The mods are on the way...
So my point is, what did they need to change. Why did they need to make it more like the competition that it's already a better purchase. I don't think Honda is having trouble selling the S2000, I think Honda is pushing the product in the wrong direction.
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Originally Posted by s2ktaxi,Aug 28 2005, 08:48 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the BRAKE ASSIST. Unless this has a disable feature, drivers should had this more! Heel and toe braking and left foot braking do not go well with BRAKE ASSIST. I could have lived with every other new feature except for Brake Assist. Oh well...