***OFFICIAL manual driving skillz thread***
11-23-2008 | 04:29 PM
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lol, no one got the F&F reference. double-clutching isn't necessary for modern cars at all, but it's a good skill to have...another good skill to have is shifting without using the clutch. all useful techniques!
11-23-2008 | 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Hypersonik,Nov 23 2008, 04:32 PM
And because you are braking with the rear wheels, you are also using some of their total grip for retardation - hence taking it away from cornering.
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11-23-2008 | 04:33 PM
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i know double clutching is ---- clutch in shift to neutral clutch out blip throttle clutch in shift into gear clutch out and go--- and just like you i think that is kinda crazy for raceing.. i guess some ppl are really fast at doing it.. but i think with modern cars you dont need to double clutch because of synchros just rev match..
ok, thats what i thought, but why and how woulg it ever make you faster...
and i watched the first two f&f to get ready for the new one ( yes i know, ghey)
and the guy was like, not double clutching, and some other bs. but the were just going in a straight line...?
hows that going to make you faster, making each shift take twice as long?
11-23-2008 | 04:40 PM
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Yeh, but H&T/DC sounds like real technical racer know how jargon to the masses who never even driven a manual. 
DC is for those who want to set themselves apart (and above) from those who already know of and how to H&T by having a redundant skill at hand that no one else cares to learn.
Oh, and by the way. some people even think DC is the same as H&T, so use the terms interchangeably.
DC is for those who want to set themselves apart (and above) from those who already know of and how to H&T by having a redundant skill at hand that no one else cares to learn.Oh, and by the way. some people even think DC is the same as H&T, so use the terms interchangeably.
11-23-2008 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by luder_5555,Nov 23 2008, 09:33 PM
ok, thats what i thought, but why and how woulg it ever make you faster...
and i watched the first two f&f to get ready for the new one ( yes i know, ghey)
and the guy was like, not double clutching, and some other bs. but the were just going in a straight line...?
hows that going to make you faster, making each shift take twice as long?
You should never need to double clutch when upshifting - which makes it pointless for Vin Diesel to point that out. Just throwing out a useful technique for downshifting. Granny shifting is lifting your foot off the gas pedal as you upshift - i.e. how you shift every day. Hard core drag racers don't lift off the gas till the run is over - a bit faster where every 1/100th of a second counts, but murder on your drivetrain.
I double clutch when running hard and downshifting more than one gear at a time (say, 5th to 3rd). Saves the synchros a bit of work.
Double clutching a single gear downshift is pointless and takes longer than H/T with proper rev matching.
11-23-2008 | 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by trinis2001,Nov 23 2008, 08:40 PM
Yeh, but H&T/DC sounds like real technical racer know how jargon to the masses who never even driven a manual. DC is for those who want to set themselves apart (and above) from those who already know of and how to H&T by having a redundant skill at hand that no one else cares to learn.
Oh, and by the way. some people even think DC is the same as H&T, so use the terms interchangeably.
DC is for those who want to set themselves apart (and above) from those who already know of and how to H&T by having a redundant skill at hand that no one else cares to learn.Oh, and by the way. some people even think DC is the same as H&T, so use the terms interchangeably.
11-23-2008 | 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Opposite_Lock,Nov 23 2008, 09:53 PM
who uses double-clutching and heel-toe interchangeably? completely different things. unless you mean people not-in-the-know use em interchangeably?
I wish I could go to F&F4, but, as I've told my GF numerous times, my Honda 2000 isn't ricer enough
11-23-2008 | 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Neutered Sputniks,Nov 23 2008, 09:45 PM
I double clutch when running hard and downshifting more than one gear at a time (say, 5th to 3rd). Saves the synchros a bit of work. Double clutching a single gear downshift is pointless and takes longer than H/T with proper rev matching.
Double clutching a single gear downshift is pointless and takes longer than H/T with proper rev matching.
11-24-2008 | 05:56 AM
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Rev match, heal-toe, track/autox (regularly).
Every time I tried to practice left foot braking, I found out my left foot doesn't have the motor control yet. Then I went to a track day with some great instructors (former skip barber instructors). They said that most people who left foot brake do it wrong, and for those that do do it right don't gain that much speed from it. They said they've seen this through datalogging that most of the time, left foot braking is a wash.
Every time I tried to practice left foot braking, I found out my left foot doesn't have the motor control yet. Then I went to a track day with some great instructors (former skip barber instructors). They said that most people who left foot brake do it wrong, and for those that do do it right don't gain that much speed from it. They said they've seen this through datalogging that most of the time, left foot braking is a wash.