slates74

Damn I've gotta convince my friend to start modding his R, or wait maybe I should wait till after I race him lol

g60racer

Re-read the first page. All I've got is a chip and intake and my fat little R32 (which btw weighs exactly the same as a MkV GTI) is putting down 246hp at the wheels. That's all four wheels. On a FWD dyno it's well over 250whp. Hello. That's around 280hp. Takes some serious bolt ons to get the 2.0T FSi motor up to that output. And you might want to educate yourself as a VW owner about the R32 motor, it's more than just a bored and stroked version of the 24V VR6 2.8L motor. Lightweight forged pistons, 11.3:1 compression ratio, shotpeened h-beam rods, ported and polished head from the factory, portmatched to the lower intake manifold and exhaust manifolds, porsche vario-cam valve technology... it's got some good stuff going on there above the regular VR6 motor, or even the similar 3.2L VR6 block that shows up in the Touareg, Cayenne, and Passat. It responds very well to mods. +36whp from chip and intake, and I haven't even touched the cams or exhaust yet.

"Book" times for R32s in the magazines are all incorrect and much slower than actual times. 0-60 stock was 5.5sec for an average driver. Chipping the car actually drops it down to 5sec flat because of the raised rev limiter, you don't need to shift to 3rd to hit 60mph... you can do 65mph in 2nd.

Stock 1/4 mile with my motor not broken in yet (700 miles on the clock) my R32 ran 13.89 @ 99.1mph at Carlsbad. That gave me a 9.0 second 1/8 mile time on that run. Later with a couple thousand miles and a drop-in K+N filter I turned a 13.80 @ 100mph.

Now with my two small mods I'm running 8.60 in the 1/8 mile, which works out to a 13.4 in the 1/4 (haven't been back to a full 1/4 track since Carlsbad closed). 60 foot times with street tires are between 1.75 to 1.85, and that makes a serious difference over a FWD car lucky to get a 2.1 60 foot. Even with serious mods and launch control, there aren't many MkV GTi's running 13's in the 1/4 here in the states. Typical chipped MkV's are running high 14's, stock ones are running about a 15.1 with DSG.

Lionheart

[quote name='versionJDM' date='Mar 27 2007, 12:17 AM'] i dont think you read my post.

icemans2k02

yea i was torn.. when i was shopping previously owning a jetta and loving it, i wanted to go to a R32. the sales people are just so rude and did not think i could afford a car that expensive. so i went with the S, i love the car but i always wonder......

g60racer

By referring to the R32 DSG, you're by default comparing the MkV R32 to the MkV GTi, because there are only 200 Mk4 R32 DSGs in the world, and they're all in the UK. The USA only got the M350Q tranny (six speed manual), whose corresponding car weighs in at... 1.410kg! Same weight as the MkV GTI with same options, less than a half tank of gas difference. It is true the MkV R32 DSG is 200lbs heavier than the MkV GTI DSG, but that's not what we're comparing here, since the MkV R32 isn't even available for general sale in the US yet.

So just for giggles, where are the next big gains for my Mk4 R32 going to be if I want to keep in NA? Cams, headers, exhaust. And there my story would end, nothing else to do with it without big bucks. Cammed R32s are putting down another 22hp at the wheels (266awhp) which is right about the 300hp mark. That does more than make up for the awd system weight, imho.... which by the way, really isn't a factor. The car weighs 3260lbs in street trim, 3120 in race trim. Considering that it does have the awd system, it's a lightweight compared to the optioned out MkV GTI which is tipping the scales at 3100lbs without the awd system to blame the weight on.

If you are talking about a MkV GTI with manual trans, without sunroof, without leather, without navi, without power windows, without cruise, without CD changer/phatnoise, then that's where you get that 1.347kg weight for the MkV (2900lbs). But I haven't seen any stripped down base models sold here. All the ones I've seen have been pretty loaded up. Just the sunroof adds 120lbs to the total weight.

But back to topic, yes you are correct that up to a point, ($5000) money spent on the 2.0T FSI motor will result in more power than the same money (under $5000) spent on the R32 motor.

For $5000 I can do a vortech supercharger on the R32, and bump it up to 315awhp. For the same amount, the 2.0T will put out about 40 more hp. Bang for the buck, at least in the under $5000 range, the 2.0T gives better results. Above that, you're in serious turbo R32 territory, and the least amount of power the base turbo kits are putting out is 360awhp, with options up to 600hp.

Lionheart

Hi g60racer,

praise yourself lucky with your car! I've driven lots of V6 Golf's and Corrado's and from the second I started the car until i stop the engine I'm in ! The one thing that should be banned from those cars are the stereo's, those engines sound so fantastic! If it was not for my (ex ) gf, I maybe would have taken the R over the S ... But I will never know... I am very in love with the S, the car I dreamt for since it came out, but since my family status has changed over the last years, I could very well do with the extra seats, trunk space etc... So yeah, my next car will have a V6, will have a sequential gearbox, AWD or ESP at least... Safety for the family comes first. For now I enjoy my S everyday and it is a blast. The best car I ever had and I have had some cars (I'm 37). I was thinking about the Eos R32 DSG (in case that car is unfamiliar, it's a Golf V vert with metal roof like the SL, SLK etc...). But that car is even heavier than the R32 So for now I am really waiting for the R36 to come out But I think, like others already discovered, that they missed their S so much they bought one again Ow, I shut up, I'm so in with my black S

killerbee_vr6

Unless your car is *completely* gutted, you're a solid 400lbs heavier than a mkV.

Johnny Sack

i know you guys are the "Dubbers" on here but a quick google search showed that a MKIV .:R tipped the scales at around 3200lbs while the new MKV GTi DSG clocks in at around 3000lbs.

g60racer

^ Thank you. The DSG tranny MkV is very heavy, that transmission is physically HUGE and has twice the amount of gears in it as a regular tranny, basically two complete gearboxes with two clutches and two flywheels. Its performance is amazing, but it comes at a weight cost.

The regular manual tranny MkV GTI 2.0T weighs in the high 2800's

blessed

Well I remember seeing this video over on one of the MKV forums..It's kind of hard to really see, but the kid who posted this video said the GTI MKV 2.0T pulled on the R32...Both have GIAC software and Intake.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dDa2A3OPGC4


My buddies '06 MKV 2.0T ran 14.5@96 mph stock with a 2.2 60 ft..APR S1 chipped and CAI he ran 14.2@98.

And im not sure if its APR, GIAC, or REVO who claims this, but one of them claim 250 WHP with there stage 1 chips alone. No other mods. Anyone know if there's any truth to gaining 50+ whp from a stage 1 chip? Seem's kinda fishy to me, especially since the MKV's turbo is smaller then the MKIV 1.8t's turbo. (which by no means is big)