maddogtx

frayed,

Hey man I got your e-mail. I'd like to go, but don't feel confident enough with all you track junkies. However, if I do go, do you mind if I ride once in your car. I'll shoot you an email from work tomorrow. Later bro

smccurry

I can't believe I read this whole thread....

Sir Tom GT

here's one for you: an e30 325i beat my s2000 consistantly in 20 miles of racing (hwy and city). I later found out it was bored out to 2.7, had extensive mods and commonly wins SCCA events. the speeds were very close though.

ultimate lurker

Did Steve Millen drive a lowered S2K? I thought he only did the stock comparo for R&T.

I'm really interested to hear cthree's comments on this as SCC's feelings about lowered S2K's didn't completely make sense to me.

If we're talking about lowering a car a modest inch or so, we're just moving it to a different point on the camber/toe curve. If we don't reset the alignment, then there could be a problem, but I hope anyone changing suspension parts will realign the car before pushing it! One could conceivably imagine that the camber/toe curve increases in its rate of change as wheel compression/bump increases, but frankly I don't know if that's the case. Nor could I imagine that toe change between 0 and 1" or travel would be significantly different than that between 1" and 2" of travel. Finally, almost every lowering spring I have ever seen is stiffer than a stock spring, therefore the amount of suspension compression for a given lateral acceleration would be smaller - not to mention that a lower Cg will reduce weight transfer and therefore _may_ limit body roll/suspension compression in a corner.

UL

[QUOTE]Originally posted by E30M3
[B]>>The s2k gets even twitchier when lowered <<
>Wrong. I have a lowered S2K and it's no more twitchy than any other S2K. Sorry but this is first hand experience talking<

Hmm, well Steve Millen might disagree with you.

elanderholm

I have raced multiple times a 1999 E36 M3 at lots of different speeds. The S2000 and E36 M3 are so close in a straight line it isn't even funny. I have gone from a launch, from 20-70, from 50-120 and both cars pull together pretty much exactly the same.

My buddy owns a one. Of course he just wrecked his, but that is a different story! Even from a slow roll both cars are very close. I usually keep the clutch in if i'm rolling and looking for a race so i can rev and dump at 5mph or so.

As far as the E46 and 1.5 car lenghts....my guess...if the s2k was close to topping out in first (which is like 35-40mph) and they raced till just getting into 4th(97mph or so) and the E46 M3 was in second instead of first 1.5 car lengths sounds totally resonable. The other story sounds more suspect, but it is really hard to tell if someone in another car, that you don't know is going full throttle. He may have and gassed it first, but who's to say he floored it. Maybe he gassed it, then left off a bit to see if you would bite and once you gassed WOT he then when full throttle. This could result in him not winning by as much. Street races are pretty much BS unless both cars are on the same exact page about what is going on.

But being .6 secs apart in a 1/4 (0-100+mph) means in a street race (40-100) or so....the faster car isn't gonna pull no 10 car lenghts or any crap like that. Let's be realistic here.

elanderholm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by frayed
[B]Coming from an E36 BMW to the S2k, then back to a BMW, the S2k's steering feel isn't that great.

JT-KGY

[QUOTE]Originally posted by elanderholm
[B]
As for an NSX killing an E46 M3...*yawn* get over it.