The problem with this forum is that the "street encounters" from a standing start always put our cars at a disadvantage. They are not drag racers. From a standing start, they are disadvantaged by lack of torque. Many cars will defeat us in this.

So let's talk about who we took on in the twisties! We can out manuever most anything. And let's talk about the guy in the "whatever car" that came up beside us when we were doing 50 and challanged us! I don't know about you, but in the latter scenerio I have been challanged by a bunch of stuff I've put in my rearview mirror by downshifting and "VTEC management." Guys, if you want a drag racer from a standing (or fairly slow rolling) start, you've bought the wrong car. There is more to performance than 0 to 60, or the quarter mile time and speed. There is, for example, 50 to 100. There is time and speed through a twisty course. These are where we excell.

Here's a story. Doing 50 on a four lane, a guy comes up beside me in a Vette. Don't know what kind, but a very late model. He's revving his engine. I drop to third and floor it. I keep it in the VTEC range with my shifts, and by the time I hit 100, the Vette was far behind in my mirror. Now, from a standing (or slow rolling) start, I would have been toast. I've got no low end torque, but I do have a lot of high end go!

I never engage in a "drag race" from standing or slow roll with anybody. Not even granny in her mini-van! But in a "road race" that starts from a higher speed, especially if it involves manueverabilty, I'm a go and will probably be seeing them in my rearview.

This is just about what our cars won't do, and what they WILL do.

 

Ok sorry, but if it was a C5 or C6 vette, of any sort, the S2k would get LEFT BEHIND on the highway. And because of the relatively low weight, S2k's actually do pretty well from a dig.

 

Tell that to s2oooNvegas .

 

Gymkata:

Actually, i don't discriminate against "early man" (sometimes erroneously called "cave man".) I only know what I have experienced in driving my AP1 s2k. My car is "lightly modded" which includes a partially pruchaced and partailly fabricated CAI with a bit of a ram air feature. As a result, I have found that my power in the "pre VTEC" range starting at 4K rpm is greatly increased. No increase in power below or above that. I don't like to rev her high and drop the clutch, as outrunning somebody isn't worth the price of a new clutch to me. If I were willing to do this, I might produce different results.

I basically find that if somebody takes me on while I'm running at a speed where I can "catch a gear" to take me up to 4.5K rpm, I've got a good chance, no matter what they are driving. And if we've got "twisties" I've got a better chance.

I honestly do not know what would happen if I ran her up to 7Krpm and dropped the clutch. I can't afford to find out.

Thanks,
Richard

 

Haha...I was only poking fun at vegas who spews bs about his ricer advantures and "victories." No worries.

Well, S2000 tend to make you feel faster than you actually are...I had the same feeling of "invincibility" when I had my S2000. And you'll have to be a good enough of a driver to take the full advantage of the "twisties." Anywasys, what does the fact I'm a caveman have to do with anything ?

 

If you don't mind beating the shit out of your diff and clutch you can pull the same 1.8-2.1 60's other RWD stock chassis/stock tire RWD cars pull. Stop whining. I even saw one magazine get a 4.9 0-60 out of the S2000. Stock.

HOW?! I DONT HAVE A DAMN CLUE! but they did.

 

Being a "caveman" has nothing to do with it. Actually, the term"caveman' is wrong. There were various species of early man, and there aren't enough caves on earth to have housed them all. Early man did leave art and "writings" on cave walls, hence the term "caveman." And because "modern man" builds upon the technology that came before, and "early man" had no technology upon which to build, we have no way to judge the IQ of "early man." God, am I politically correct, or what?

In any event, I just don't think my s2k is a drag racer, and I didn't buy it with that purpose in mind. Hell, my sedan is Mercedes Benz and I am an oficer in that club. The general manager of the local Mercedes Benz dealer is a friend of mine. I told him that if he got in an SLK 55 AMG to call me, as I wanted to take a test drive. He did, and I did, and the car had much more low end "grunt" than my s2k. But above 50 mph in acceleration, I think the s2k would have walked away. And in the twisties, I know the s2k would have walked away. And when the trade-in difference is $50K, the 0 to 50 advantage just seems to evaporate!

Thus, my criticism of the "street encounters" forum's emphasis on "stoplight drag racing" which our cars aren't designed for. And no matter what "mods" we add, they never will be. But they do have some "sweet spots" in the acceleration range, and surgical ability on road courses, and I think that is what we should be talking about on this forum. And that's all I have to say about this.

Thanks,
Richard

 

How often do you track you track your s2k? The civic wasn't meant to be a drag car either.

 

 

All of you are politically incorrect. What about the vast majority of peoples who belive in a Biblical form of Creation? Pffft...insensetive to others. Horrid.