sexycheto88

USDM e36 m3's are very overrated now a 1997 evo m3 from germany would hand u ur ass in a heart beat.

not to mention that owner is paying out the ass in repairs and maintance i was looking at getting an e36 m3 regular on the forum sites and the number one thing people usually said "you know ur an e36 m3 owner when u buy maintance parts before something goes wrong"

overated and slower then s2000 stock vs stock

myclue

s2kftw

negcamber

Overrated how? HP? They are rated at 240hp, but I can tell you they pretty consistantly dyno 215-225 to the wheels...seems underrated to me. They are both low 14 sec cars for most decent drivers. Given the M3 is heavier and has taller gearing, I would say the engine is very underrated. Usually, it will be a drivers race.

sexycheto88

no way the engine puts down at most i've seen stock 210. yeah its a nice car but it takes a damn good driver to do less then 6 second 0-60 and a low 14 1/4.

not to mention the fact the only turbo kit for the M is 10k.

also the us version sucks compared to the erupean. its definitly underated in that fact the euro 3.0 pumped out 286 hp and the 3.2 put out 322. the b30 s52 (usdm engine) only had intake vanos and lower compression rate not to mention no ITB. and the tranny for the us version was signifigantly weaker compared to the euro version. there beautiful cars. but for the price, and maintance why bother just get an S2000 better in every category except comfort.

porschefan1013

Curse those god awful ricer rings. I've got projector HID's on mine though.

As for your little race, I'm gonna spice things up a bit and call . S2000's are no problem for me at speed.

blessed

I don't feel like searching for a thread I wrote up a while ago, where a guy in an older M3 talked down to me and my G/F at a red light! Saying how my car reminds him of a miata and blah blah along those lines...I told him to drive one, and I bet it will change his mind, but he didn't want to hear it. The bashing continued (all this after I actually started the conversation with a "nice car" to the guy. Anyways my S only had CAI, and his M3 had I/E, and was manual. Out the hole I launched at 8K giving this guy the full F***ing monty! I pulled more then 3 cars on him before I even shifted to 4th, and shut him up pretty good! He claimed a bad launch (which since this guy lowered me to his level already) I told him that sucks, and maybe you should learn how to drive before talking shyt, fagget! I was pissed...He was begging me to run from a roll, but I just kept on shooting him down with, "dude, you just got walked horribly, piss off" I even gave him the waste of my gas line! As you can see how pissed this tool made me! Like 3-4 miles down the road I guess I calmed down a bit, and gave this jackass what he wanted..a 2nd gear roll. It wasn't as bad, but I still put a good 2 car lengths on him by about 100. E36 M3's are pretty nice cars for an older beemer look. But a properly driven S2000 will pull on one from just about anywhere. Some of there best, run in the low 14's. A good 2-3-4 tenths slower and 2-3 MPH behind a well driven S. I guess 240 HP just doesn't get you the same in a german car!

porschefan1013

Instead of words, why don't I let the videos do the talking...because talk is cheap.

m3 vs S2k and STI

m3 vs s2k

m3 vs s2k

Now I'm not saying an S2000 can't beat an M3, I've even seen them pull on an E46 M3, albeit very heavily modified. But I'm done. I'm a guest here and I don't want to give the impression that I don't respect, love and admire the S2000. And that guy you raced sounds like a typical dickhead BMW owner, thinking their car was hand crafted by God himself. I'm glad you handed him a good ass whoopin.

sexycheto88

that M3 vs. the STI is no usdm M3 no Usdm m3 can pull on an STI even with an exhuast were talking 220ish hp vs. 260.

its just a basic argument i dont know many drivers that can pull a 5.5 second on a usdm M3.

i could find videos supporting the S2k and Videos supporting the M3. videos are videos and dont really show me much. whos to say that car is "truelly" stock or just Catback.

all i know is stock Vs. stock its a close race but 8/10 times S2k will win.

porschefan1013

I love how it automatically CAN'T be an American model. Do you see that big square license plate...it ain't European. It's not in Australia either because, judging by the lines on the road, motorists heading in that direction would be passing on the left (i.e. towards the inside...British and Australian motorists pass on the right). So that takes care of that little argument. And just to ease your mind, that STI was clearly gaining; he had a horrible launch.

I don't know many S2000 drivers that can get a sub-6 second 0-60 without beating the living piss out of their car. And for the record, that's one of the most useless statistics. I suppose the difference of 240hp/236lb ft vs. 238hp/153lb ft (at extremely high points in the rev range) means nothing. And yes, I do recognize the S2000's weight advantage here, but it's not THAT much.

And I'm sure you could. I already conceded that point. And videos don't show you that much? They show a lot more than some story that anyone could fabricate an outcome to.

And you'll have to show me your test data. I've had the opportunity to race all of 3 S2000's, all three times knowing the person, and acknowledging the fact that we were going to race. I lost once, from a stop, because my ASC would not disengage...I had to take it to the dealership and have them reflash it. So were these 10 races of yours between two consenting individuals or just some random street encounters, assuming you've even raced up to 10 M3's? Please don't go pulling things like that out of a hat.

Now maybe I shouldn't have called bullshit, seeing as you have some mods, but I still find the whole 3-4 CAR lengths at a 140 mph a bit unlikely...M3's shine up top. And I'll also admit that I'm not stock either.

negcamber

It ain't that hard. The e36M3 is very easy launch compared to an S2k...very very easy.

And I hate to magazine race, but the guys at R&T, C&D, and MT seemed to easily show 0-60 in the 5.2-5.8sec range and 14.0-14.3sec 1/4. Pretty consistant with the S2k.

I've been in the driver's seat of both racing against the other...it's a drivers race.

BTW, porschefan...noticed that the s2k at the strip looked like he turned in a 16sec 1/4...that guy needs some practice!