E36 M3 Vs. S2k
03-27-2002, 08:30 AM
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Yep, what Frayed and Sev said.
Your best acceleration in every gear is at your peak torque.
However, your best acceleration if you have CVT is at your peak horsepower.
Many people don't realize that S2000's problem off the line is not the low peak torque (153 lb/ft), but a MUCH LOWER torque than that at really low rpms (less than 80 RW lb/ft under 2500rpms).
IF the S2000's engine made 150 lb/ft from say 1500rpms to the redline, it would pull like a monster (LS1) off the idle, and it would be just as easy to launch - no high rpm drops would be needed.
Your best acceleration in every gear is at your peak torque.
However, your best acceleration if you have CVT is at your peak horsepower.
Many people don't realize that S2000's problem off the line is not the low peak torque (153 lb/ft), but a MUCH LOWER torque than that at really low rpms (less than 80 RW lb/ft under 2500rpms).
IF the S2000's engine made 150 lb/ft from say 1500rpms to the redline, it would pull like a monster (LS1) off the idle, and it would be just as easy to launch - no high rpm drops would be needed.
03-27-2002, 09:18 AM
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David, I agree with you completely. In fact that is how the car magazine got their best acceleration numbers on the S2k, they dropped the clutch at 6000RPM. But how many of you are willing to do that with your own car just for a street race? the M3 in the other hand is best launched around 3k RPM which I can do all day long. So it's not totaly unreasonable that most street races the S2k will loose to a E36M3 and not by the car's fault (cause it has the ability) but rather because the driver does not know or willing to do what it takes.
Originally posted by DavidM
r6e36, there's a simple way to get the S2000 off-the-line and it bypasses the 'low down lack of torque'. Just drop the cluth from 6,000rpm+. This way revs never ever need to drop bellow 6,000rpm and stay in the 'power zone'.
If you're 'racing' people off the lights and they don't do this then they're just not racing. S2000 that is not lauched from 6,000rpm+ is not going to get to any reasonably speeds very quick at all ... definatelly no quicker then your average family sedan. The key to S2000's perfromance is not to EVER be bellow 6,000rpm (even from the lights). If you're ever bellow 6,000rpm then you're not really racing.
r6e36, there's a simple way to get the S2000 off-the-line and it bypasses the 'low down lack of torque'. Just drop the cluth from 6,000rpm+. This way revs never ever need to drop bellow 6,000rpm and stay in the 'power zone'.
If you're 'racing' people off the lights and they don't do this then they're just not racing. S2000 that is not lauched from 6,000rpm+ is not going to get to any reasonably speeds very quick at all ... definatelly no quicker then your average family sedan. The key to S2000's perfromance is not to EVER be bellow 6,000rpm (even from the lights). If you're ever bellow 6,000rpm then you're not really racing.
03-27-2002, 11:00 AM
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Originally posted by TKG 26
a little off-topic, but i DEMOLISHED (yes, i'm yelling) an e36 m3 on the highway in my S8.
they're slower than snails....
a little off-topic, but i DEMOLISHED (yes, i'm yelling) an e36 m3 on the highway in my S8.
they're slower than snails....
Yeah, I would kinda figure the S8 would be a handful for the E36 M3. I would hope so considering the S8 is in another league as far as power goes..comparing it to a E36 of course.
03-27-2002, 11:16 AM
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In a straight line those audis are fast. Luxurious, quiet, and fast.
Wouldn't want one though as an only car, as I take my daily driver to the track (road course).
Wouldn't want one though as an only car, as I take my daily driver to the track (road course).
03-27-2002, 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by frayed
Wouldn't want one though as an only car, as I take my daily driver to the track (road course).
Wouldn't want one though as an only car, as I take my daily driver to the track (road course).
don't knock it 'til you try it....