Can stock Z4's beat Mustang's?
08-13-2004, 01:04 AM
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Can stock Z4's beat Mustang's?
I have a Z4 3.0, and some of my friends told me to never race any Mustang as it'll easily smoke me. However, I don't buy it, at least not entirely, because I've read about S2000's beating Mustangs in this forum and I know a stock Z4 is about as fast as a stock S2k. I know I have no chance against a Cobra. But how about against a GT and non-GT? Against convertible and coupe? Any differences in power for various recent model years?
08-13-2004, 02:38 AM
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Depending on how you drive, but if you're a good driver, you could beat a GT and smoke a non-GT (V6). If your car is 6-sp, you'll walk away from a GT; not saying that you'll smoke it, but you'll beat it. Now go try it out! 
08-13-2004, 08:58 AM
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Thanks :-) I'm not a very good driver yet, but the SMG will make me look like a better driver though. It'll never mis-shift, and I'll always get a consistent 0.12 second shifting time 100 out of 100 times.
08-13-2004, 09:17 AM
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Yeah, with auto, you just smash and go. 
But with manuals, even though one could mis-shift a lot, but you get to stroke the gears. Ahhh, stroking never feels so good, esp. with an awesome gear box. Stroking only feels that good on a lonely night. 
But with manuals, even though one could mis-shift a lot, but you get to stroke the gears. Ahhh, stroking never feels so good, esp. with an awesome gear box. Stroking only feels that good on a lonely night.
08-13-2004, 11:35 AM
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oh... and my buddy's Z4... I think he got a factory f*ck up... he ordered his about a month before they hit dealerships... and we raced a few times (I'm not sure he had it fully broken in)... but I walked him relatively easily... A little faster then I would pull on a stock GT...
so who knows... could be the car... could be the driver... either way, I'm sure it is not a walk in the park...
so who knows... could be the car... could be the driver... either way, I'm sure it is not a walk in the park...
08-13-2004, 12:28 PM
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You have a little more power than a 99+ V6 Mustang, while weighing roughly the same, so you could probably beat most V6's. You have a lot less power than a 99+ GT, so you likely won't win against a good driver in a 5 speed. There are tons of Mustangs, and the GTs prior to 1999 are close in performance to your Z4, so you stand a good chance of beating a Mustang GT if it is older than 1999, as long as it doesn't have many mods. An auto vert 99+ GT would be the slowest of the 99+ GTs, while a 5 speed coupe would be the fastest. I don't know how the auto would do from a roll, but from a stop it would have the advantage over a Z4, I would think.
The 99+ Mustang GT has 35 more hp, 85 more lb-ft of torque, steeper rear gears, and only 250 pounds more weight, compared to a 3.0 Z4. That 250 pounds is the only thing going against the Mustang GT. I raced a 3.0 Z3 a few years ago in my old 2000 GT, from a highway roll. He didn't have a chance from 60-70 mph rolls. I would pull hard right from the get-go, and we went at it 4 or 5 times. I'd have to be in the wrong gear to lose. Your car has the same engine, making the same power, weighing maybe 50 pounds more. The Z4 is an awesome car IMHO and pretty quick, but the bulk of the purchase price is spent on other things.
The 99+ Mustang GT has 35 more hp, 85 more lb-ft of torque, steeper rear gears, and only 250 pounds more weight, compared to a 3.0 Z4. That 250 pounds is the only thing going against the Mustang GT. I raced a 3.0 Z3 a few years ago in my old 2000 GT, from a highway roll. He didn't have a chance from 60-70 mph rolls. I would pull hard right from the get-go, and we went at it 4 or 5 times. I'd have to be in the wrong gear to lose. Your car has the same engine, making the same power, weighing maybe 50 pounds more. The Z4 is an awesome car IMHO and pretty quick, but the bulk of the purchase price is spent on other things.
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08-13-2004, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by no_really,Aug 13 2004, 12:28 PM
You have a little more power than a 99+ V6 Mustang, while weighing roughly the same, so you could probably beat most V6's. You have a lot less power than a 99+ GT, so you likely won't win against a good driver in a 5 speed. There are tons of Mustangs, and the GTs prior to 1999 are close in performance to your Z4, so you stand a good chance of beating a Mustang GT if it is older than 1999, as long as it doesn't have many mods. An auto vert 99+ GT would be the slowest of the 99+ GTs, while a 5 speed coupe would be the fastest. I don't know how the auto would do from a roll, but from a stop it would have the advantage over a Z4, I would think.
The 99+ Mustang GT has 35 more hp, 85 more lb-ft of torque, steeper rear gears, and only 250 pounds more weight, compared to a 3.0 Z4. That 250 pounds is the only thing going against the Mustang GT. I raced a 3.0 Z3 a few years ago in my old 2000 GT, from a highway roll. He didn't have a chance from 60-70 mph rolls. I would pull hard right from the get-go, and we went at it 4 or 5 times. I'd have to be in the wrong gear to lose. Your car has the same engine, making the same power, weighing maybe 50 pounds more. The Z4 is an awesome car IMHO and pretty quick, but the bulk of the purchase price is spent on other things.
The 99+ Mustang GT has 35 more hp, 85 more lb-ft of torque, steeper rear gears, and only 250 pounds more weight, compared to a 3.0 Z4. That 250 pounds is the only thing going against the Mustang GT. I raced a 3.0 Z3 a few years ago in my old 2000 GT, from a highway roll. He didn't have a chance from 60-70 mph rolls. I would pull hard right from the get-go, and we went at it 4 or 5 times. I'd have to be in the wrong gear to lose. Your car has the same engine, making the same power, weighing maybe 50 pounds more. The Z4 is an awesome car IMHO and pretty quick, but the bulk of the purchase price is spent on other things.
stay away from cobras though
either way though, add a turn in the race and bye bye stang...there is more to driving than going straight
08-13-2004, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by no_really,Aug 13 2004, 12:28 PM
You have a little more power than a 99+ V6 Mustang, while weighing roughly the same, so you could probably beat most V6's. You have a lot less power than a 99+ GT, so you likely won't win against a good driver in a 5 speed. There are tons of Mustangs, and the GTs prior to 1999 are close in performance to your Z4, so you stand a good chance of beating a Mustang GT if it is older than 1999, as long as it doesn't have many mods. An auto vert 99+ GT would be the slowest of the 99+ GTs, while a 5 speed coupe would be the fastest. I don't know how the auto would do from a roll, but from a stop it would have the advantage over a Z4, I would think.
The 99+ Mustang GT has 35 more hp, 85 more lb-ft of torque, steeper rear gears, and only 250 pounds more weight, compared to a 3.0 Z4. That 250 pounds is the only thing going against the Mustang GT. I raced a 3.0 Z3 a few years ago in my old 2000 GT, from a highway roll. He didn't have a chance from 60-70 mph rolls. I would pull hard right from the get-go, and we went at it 4 or 5 times. I'd have to be in the wrong gear to lose. Your car has the same engine, making the same power, weighing maybe 50 pounds more. The Z4 is an awesome car IMHO and pretty quick, but the bulk of the purchase price is spent on other things.
The 99+ Mustang GT has 35 more hp, 85 more lb-ft of torque, steeper rear gears, and only 250 pounds more weight, compared to a 3.0 Z4. That 250 pounds is the only thing going against the Mustang GT. I raced a 3.0 Z3 a few years ago in my old 2000 GT, from a highway roll. He didn't have a chance from 60-70 mph rolls. I would pull hard right from the get-go, and we went at it 4 or 5 times. I'd have to be in the wrong gear to lose. Your car has the same engine, making the same power, weighing maybe 50 pounds more. The Z4 is an awesome car IMHO and pretty quick, but the bulk of the purchase price is spent on other things.
08-13-2004, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Ridgeway,Aug 13 2004, 12:57 PM
either way though, add a turn in the race and bye bye stang...there is more to driving than going straight
An average driver in a Z4 will have a hard time keeping up with a good driver in a much inferior car (let's say, a miata) when you throw some turns on the road, and will get absolutely destroyed when you put a better driver in a somewhat comparable car (like the Mustang GT).
Yes, Z4 is potentially faster than a GT on a curvy road, with both cars in expert hands. But that doesn't mean that most people will have the skill to extract that potential.