Thinking of getting into some road racing...
02-13-2006, 01:32 PM
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Thinking of getting into some road racing...
How well do the stock brakes hold up?
I am mostly running just bolt ons and I have been to several auto-x's without any concern...
Now I want to make my way out to some track events and am worried about high speed braking.
I saw this setup... http://www.importimageracing.com/product_i...products_id=960
Any experience with them?
I am mostly running just bolt ons and I have been to several auto-x's without any concern...
Now I want to make my way out to some track events and am worried about high speed braking.
I saw this setup... http://www.importimageracing.com/product_i...products_id=960
Any experience with them?
02-13-2006, 02:56 PM
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"Image is Everything"This link should answer most of your questions:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=98080
02-13-2006, 03:25 PM
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Sorry to go off topic, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
Driving around a track recreationally, usually with no timing and with passing restrictions, is referred to variously as "driver's ed", a "track day", a "lapping day", or some variation thereof.
Road racing is timed wheel-to-wheel competition without passing restrictions (with the exception of flag situations). While track days and road racing both involve lapping a road course in the company of others, they're actually very different degrees of magnitude.
Driving around a track recreationally, usually with no timing and with passing restrictions, is referred to variously as "driver's ed", a "track day", a "lapping day", or some variation thereof.
Road racing is timed wheel-to-wheel competition without passing restrictions (with the exception of flag situations). While track days and road racing both involve lapping a road course in the company of others, they're actually very different degrees of magnitude.
02-13-2006, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PedalFaster,Feb 13 2006, 04:25 PM
Sorry to go off topic, but this is a pet peeve of mine.
Driving around a track recreationally, usually with no timing and with passing restrictions, is referred to variously as "driver's ed", a "track day", a "lapping day", or some variation thereof.
Road racing is timed wheel-to-wheel competition without passing restrictions (with the exception of flag situations). While track days and road racing both involve lapping a road course in the company of others, they're actually very different degrees of magnitude.
Driving around a track recreationally, usually with no timing and with passing restrictions, is referred to variously as "driver's ed", a "track day", a "lapping day", or some variation thereof.
Road racing is timed wheel-to-wheel competition without passing restrictions (with the exception of flag situations). While track days and road racing both involve lapping a road course in the company of others, they're actually very different degrees of magnitude.
, so he should correct the title of the thread.
02-13-2006, 03:55 PM
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Unless he meant "road racing" literally. 
I figure you're looking into HPDEs, so get a set of Cobalt pads from the marketplace, flush your fluid w/some RBF600 or Motul and maybe throw on a set of stainless lines. If you get fade, duct your brakes before you go to the track again. Some of the fastest guys in S2000s are running stock S2000 brakes with nothing more than I just mentioned. I do not, but I put my Wilwoods on before I knew what I was doing. No regrets, though.
I figure you're looking into HPDEs, so get a set of Cobalt pads from the marketplace, flush your fluid w/some RBF600 or Motul and maybe throw on a set of stainless lines. If you get fade, duct your brakes before you go to the track again. Some of the fastest guys in S2000s are running stock S2000 brakes with nothing more than I just mentioned. I do not, but I put my Wilwoods on before I knew what I was doing. No regrets, though.
. Just Motul 600 and race pads.
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02-13-2006, 05:38 PM
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In this order:
fluid
pads
cooling ducts
BBK
lines
Start at the top of the list and work down upgrading each as you run out of brakes. Change the fluid first and go out with a fresh set of stock pads and rotors. When you start blowing through pads at a rediculous rate get Cobalts. When those start to fade out add cooling ducts and so on down the line. When you get to BBK, turn pro.
Note rotors are not on the list and braided brake lines are at the very bottom. Rotors are a wear item like pads and tires. You change them when they wear out which has a lot to do with how aggressive a pad you use. Stock pads are easy on rotors, race pads are not. Cobalts will require you change rotors on every second set of pads.
fluid
pads
cooling ducts
BBK
lines
Start at the top of the list and work down upgrading each as you run out of brakes. Change the fluid first and go out with a fresh set of stock pads and rotors. When you start blowing through pads at a rediculous rate get Cobalts. When those start to fade out add cooling ducts and so on down the line. When you get to BBK, turn pro.
Note rotors are not on the list and braided brake lines are at the very bottom. Rotors are a wear item like pads and tires. You change them when they wear out which has a lot to do with how aggressive a pad you use. Stock pads are easy on rotors, race pads are not. Cobalts will require you change rotors on every second set of pads.
02-19-2006, 08:05 PM
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to find out what you really need, get some of these, and see how hot you get your brakes and then make adjustments from there.
Clean fiuld is a great idea, and street/track pads are a good start, but then find out how hard you are using your brakes, before you start making mods.
Clean fiuld is a great idea, and street/track pads are a good start, but then find out how hard you are using your brakes, before you start making mods.
02-20-2006, 10:04 AM
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Umm, no, gonna disagree with ya there. What good are rotor temps to a novice? Or even to a track-hound? "Let's see, 600 degrees. I guess that means I should...uh...hmm..."
There are only two real (i.e. safety) concerns with brakes: performance (fade) and wear. Both can be easily observed and fixed without knowing specific temps. Fade? Get better fluid and/or pads. Wear? Replace pads and/or rotors.
As my two-year-old's bedtime book says, "Why make big problems out of little problems?"
There are only two real (i.e. safety) concerns with brakes: performance (fade) and wear. Both can be easily observed and fixed without knowing specific temps. Fade? Get better fluid and/or pads. Wear? Replace pads and/or rotors.
As my two-year-old's bedtime book says, "Why make big problems out of little problems?"