kinchu007

this is what I mean by LOW







fun with weights again:









sjs0433, here you go...hope these help, it's really hard to get the camera in there:










-Fil

//steve\\

That's all I needed to see. Thanks. And with the seat where you currently have it you've still got plenty of leg room? I think I've seen what I wanted.
did you get your seat recently? if so from where?

kinchu007

the seat can go back farther than i need it to

I bought it used...there's lots of parts up for sale in the classifieds on here

Jaku

even removing 32 lbs of passenger seat gets +0.25 points, so it's hard not to give any points from removing 45 lbs

but if someone adds a roll bar, i also think he can also gets -0.25 points, that sounds fair to me

so if someone add a bar and remove 45lbs, there is no points added and if someone removes 45lbs without adding a bar, then he should get +0.25 points or if someone keeps full interior with a bar, then -0.25 points

softtop -> hardtop = +0.25
remove rear trims = +0.25
remove passenger seat = +0.25
add a roll bar = -0.25

maybe remove AC = +0.25

i don't anything will be changed this year anyways, new rules should be discussed later much based on what we've seen this year

psychoazn

Getting off topic, but I totally agree that ADDING a rollbar should deduct points, since it is a weight penalty, and more safety is always good.

Maybe we should just bring scales and weigh everyone's car

VitaRenovatio

^ Exactly. There are so many little things that make it difficult to keep track of weight. There is no penalty for swapping an OEM hard top to a light weight CF one. There is no penalty for using carbon fiber body pieces. There is no default penalty for the CR, given that it is lighter to begin with (2765 without hardtop, 2813 with hardtop, 2855 with hardtop, audio and AC). Also, should CR's without AC/audio get an added penalty beyond other CRs with AC/audio (a difference of 42 pounds).

I say just keep it simple. Let the owners do what they want in terms of interior, exterior, safety, etc. and say a minimum race weight of 2800/2850/2900 or whatever pounds with driver and gas. Mike can bring the scales once in a while and keep everyone honest. Surprise inspections after you complete your time attack.

In the end, I suspect the better driver in the 50-pound heavier car will still win.

~Nam

psychoazn

And we'll set standard driver weight, and add points for those skinny drivers that weight very little....

Jaku

1. oem hardtop vs aftermarket hardtop is only 10~15lbs? but both get better areo advantage already, the difference isn't big enough to penalize 1/4 points imo

2. i don't think there is much weight saving unless the whole car is replace with dry carbon fiber, like literally the whole car, cos all our panels are light (hood, fenders, bumpers) except trunk, the cost over performance ratio is just too bad and 1 single dry carbon panel isn't big enough to penalize 1/4 points imo

3. i think regular CR is only lighter from softtop removal vs an ap2, but i will vote penalty for AC/audio removal next year

4. weight scale is too much trouble imo, we've actually thought about it for this season already

i think the difference between better and avg driver is still more than 50lbs penalty

even a pretty good driver that can't drive consistantly within 0.5s every lap, i would say sometimes driving error could hurt more than 50lbs in TA, maybe only in a long race with a very consistant driver will show the difference of 50lbs

kinchu007

Okay, the car's finally done so here are the pics I promised...enjoy!











-Fil

VitaRenovatio

^ Looks beautiful, Fil! Good job.