Race seats
#141
Originally Posted by bronxbomber252' timestamp='1302434428' post='20449547
It is not so much that it lets you slide or what not, its that if the car flips, when you head hits in a 3 point, you body will get pushed by the weight of the car and the free shoulder is able come forward enough to let your head be displaced enough to not smash you spine/neck. and this can still happen in a racing seat as long as it doesnt have those large head extensions or whatever they are called. Based on all the accidents I have seen the aftermath of first hand, you would be amazed how much a body moves around in the OEM 3 point, even when the seatbelt is locked. There are forces much stronger than what you can exert on your own. However, in a 5/6 point there is no movement at all except for the neck, and this is not enough to allow your head to be displaced enough.
long story short: there is a reason many sanctioning bodies do not allow Harness - roll bar in a convertible.
long story short: there is a reason many sanctioning bodies do not allow Harness - roll bar in a convertible.
A lot of sanctioning body doesn't allow a lot of things because of many issue. Some is to prevent a lawsuit.
#142
Originally Posted by bronxbomber252' timestamp='1302368968' post='20447854
I have the regular one, If you would like to test sit in mine, you can either swing down here or, I will be in Dothan, AL (a little closer) tomorrow for an Autox.
Jim
#143
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Originally Posted by Andrie' timestamp='1302450187' post='20449871
[quote name='bronxbomber252' timestamp='1302434428' post='20449547']
It is not so much that it lets you slide or what not, its that if the car flips, when you head hits in a 3 point, you body will get pushed by the weight of the car and the free shoulder is able come forward enough to let your head be displaced enough to not smash you spine/neck. and this can still happen in a racing seat as long as it doesnt have those large head extensions or whatever they are called. Based on all the accidents I have seen the aftermath of first hand, you would be amazed how much a body moves around in the OEM 3 point, even when the seatbelt is locked. There are forces much stronger than what you can exert on your own. However, in a 5/6 point there is no movement at all except for the neck, and this is not enough to allow your head to be displaced enough.
long story short: there is a reason many sanctioning bodies do not allow Harness - roll bar in a convertible.
It is not so much that it lets you slide or what not, its that if the car flips, when you head hits in a 3 point, you body will get pushed by the weight of the car and the free shoulder is able come forward enough to let your head be displaced enough to not smash you spine/neck. and this can still happen in a racing seat as long as it doesnt have those large head extensions or whatever they are called. Based on all the accidents I have seen the aftermath of first hand, you would be amazed how much a body moves around in the OEM 3 point, even when the seatbelt is locked. There are forces much stronger than what you can exert on your own. However, in a 5/6 point there is no movement at all except for the neck, and this is not enough to allow your head to be displaced enough.
long story short: there is a reason many sanctioning bodies do not allow Harness - roll bar in a convertible.
A lot of sanctioning body doesn't allow a lot of things because of many issue. Some is to prevent a lawsuit.
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I guess, we agree to disagree. I'm not rationalizing. I'm an engineer by trade, and racer as second job. I've been in a few rollover my self, not something I usually brag about.
#144
Originally Posted by bronxbomber252' timestamp='1302489370' post='20451276
[quote name='Andrie' timestamp='1302450187' post='20449871']
[quote name='bronxbomber252' timestamp='1302434428' post='20449547']
It is not so much that it lets you slide or what not, its that if the car flips, when you head hits in a 3 point, you body will get pushed by the weight of the car and the free shoulder is able come forward enough to let your head be displaced enough to not smash you spine/neck. and this can still happen in a racing seat as long as it doesnt have those large head extensions or whatever they are called. Based on all the accidents I have seen the aftermath of first hand, you would be amazed how much a body moves around in the OEM 3 point, even when the seatbelt is locked. There are forces much stronger than what you can exert on your own. However, in a 5/6 point there is no movement at all except for the neck, and this is not enough to allow your head to be displaced enough.
long story short: there is a reason many sanctioning bodies do not allow Harness - roll bar in a convertible.
[quote name='bronxbomber252' timestamp='1302434428' post='20449547']
It is not so much that it lets you slide or what not, its that if the car flips, when you head hits in a 3 point, you body will get pushed by the weight of the car and the free shoulder is able come forward enough to let your head be displaced enough to not smash you spine/neck. and this can still happen in a racing seat as long as it doesnt have those large head extensions or whatever they are called. Based on all the accidents I have seen the aftermath of first hand, you would be amazed how much a body moves around in the OEM 3 point, even when the seatbelt is locked. There are forces much stronger than what you can exert on your own. However, in a 5/6 point there is no movement at all except for the neck, and this is not enough to allow your head to be displaced enough.
long story short: there is a reason many sanctioning bodies do not allow Harness - roll bar in a convertible.
A lot of sanctioning body doesn't allow a lot of things because of many issue. Some is to prevent a lawsuit.
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I guess, we agree to disagree. I'm not rationalizing. I'm an engineer by trade, and racer as second job. I've been in a few rollover my self, not something I usually brag about.
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sounds good to me, its good to have info supporting both arguments available, both by people who at least are drawing on experience/education.
#145
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I'm looking at the Evo 2 Plus and the Kirkey Intermediate, so you're a good source :-) I have a lower harness bar on my hard dog and am planning to use HANS. Why do you say that the Evo 2 Plus will not work on a street car.
#146
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Originally Posted by bronxbomber252' timestamp='1302369151' post='20447861
[quote name='robinson' timestamp='1302368259' post='20447833']
Yeah, seat buying sucks. I purchased two seats myself without sitting in them. The first was too small, recaro SPG profi, the second was just right, sparco pro 2000. Both had required different hardware to fit properly.
Yeah, seat buying sucks. I purchased two seats myself without sitting in them. The first was too small, recaro SPG profi, the second was just right, sparco pro 2000. Both had required different hardware to fit properly.
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What did your sparco end up looking like after you had to chop the one side some to fit the car?
Was the Pole position not right fit for you? Just seems like alot of work to make that fit, and cut up a new seat too.
#147
Mugen s1R here.
Seats fit like they were made for the s2000. Waist lines over 34" need not apply. Seat is extremely light.
*Not planning for the future and purchasing the harddog bar with higher harness bar ftl.*
Seats fit like they were made for the s2000. Waist lines over 34" need not apply. Seat is extremely light.
*Not planning for the future and purchasing the harddog bar with higher harness bar ftl.*
#148
I keep hearing that the hard dog roll bars have harness bars too high. I also hear though that it's the only SCCA/NASA approved roll bar for the S2000.
How are we supposed to get a roll bar and harness that actually all work together then?
How are we supposed to get a roll bar and harness that actually all work together then?
#149
Whenever you buy a HD roll bar you can request for the harness bar to be welded at a lower position, so that's not an issue. But when doing that I believe you have to take out the factory hoops. I think you mean that it's the only SCCA/NASA approved "bolt on" bar for the S?