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Old 11-12-2006 | 11:48 PM
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Please have a look at our local race track:

Dubai Autodrome

There are two straight where you reach 150mph and need to slow down into 3rd and 2nd gear. Stock brakes are toasted after 3 laps.This is not your average tight road course, this is a FIA aproved GT racing race track that is realy hard on brakes. I am planing to track-day it again after 2 years.

My upgrades so far:

Rear Endless rotors/front stock (Spoon cracked)
Neuspeed SS brake lines
5.1 DOT fluid

I was planing to get the EBC Red Stuff pads since my brother has them on his EVO8 and they last for 3 trackdays (6 x 20min. in one trackday). Any comments on them?

1.How good are the Cobalt GT-Sports pads for this purpose?
2.I know that many of you still keep the stock calipers and I don't want to upgrade stuff for the bling factor. But if there is some set-up that is better than stock (Willwood, Stop-Tech ,Brembo ) please let me know.
3.Is there any benefit from removing the dust shields? Does it really provide better cooling?
4. What rotors are a good choise with some race-spec pads?
Old 11-13-2006 | 06:24 AM
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It's all about the pads...

I can toast most stock pads in a few laps. Race pads will work much longer. (usually until you wear them out 15 hours?)

Cobalts are very hard to get right now. Look at Hawk Blue/HT10, or any of the full race pads. That and a couple of cooling ducts and you'll be good to go (Really).

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Old 11-13-2006 | 06:39 AM
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I have never used anything but stock rotors and usually Carbotech XP9 or XP10 brake pads..... not sure what the similar number is for Hawk pads....2.5" brake ducting from those little fog light looking things in the bumper....

We hit ~135-140mph down the front of summit point.....
Old 11-13-2006 | 07:15 AM
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speaking of stock rotors, can the stock front (AP1) rotors be put on the rear? will it fit? is it safe?
Old 11-13-2006 | 07:38 AM
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Race pads and stock rotors/calipers seem to work fine, even for tracks that are very hard on brakes.

I also added brake ducting to the front, which might not hurt. It's not a replacement for using race pads, but it should add some margin.

http://www.eskimo.com/~mikeg/S2000/ducting/
Old 11-13-2006 | 08:22 AM
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Race pads plus stock rotors are fine for a day at any track. Ducting the fronts will not so much improve performance as simply reduce the frequency they need to be replaced. The solid rear rotors will last forever.
Old 11-13-2006 | 08:54 AM
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Also... What is the temperature rating of the 5.1 fluid you are using?

I suspect you'll need to flush that stuff out and replace it with a real DOT 4 race fluid.
MOTUL or ATE Super Blue should be available to you.
Old 11-14-2006 | 10:31 AM
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Cobalts are still hard to get?

Anyway very cool track, it's super hot in Dubai isnt it?
Old 11-14-2006 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceman1,Nov 13 2006, 11:15 AM
speaking of stock rotors, can the stock front (AP1) rotors be put on the rear? will it fit? is it safe?
fronts are vented and the backs are not..... i am sure some genius could figure out a way to make it all work with front calipers on the back as well, but......... certainly wouldn't be worth the hassle.

Hell on my race S2000 I only go through 1 set of rear pads for a full season (7 race weekends).... fronts go much quicker....
Old 11-14-2006 | 10:47 AM
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Yeah but you're not racing on an uber-1337 OMGDZ F1 track


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