ENKEI WHEEL "GROUP BUY" FEELER THREAD
06-06-2012, 10:20 PM
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Also why weight doesn't matter too much on the track.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=479110
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=479110
06-06-2012, 10:25 PM
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How much are CCW's? If they are strong and cost $1500 or less, I'm definitely interested. What is the weight on these wheels?
EDIT: looked it up on CCW's website. CCW Classics 17" is about $2600 for a set. Not cheap. Might as well go with Volk or BBS.
EDIT: looked it up on CCW's website. CCW Classics 17" is about $2600 for a set. Not cheap. Might as well go with Volk or BBS.
06-06-2012, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by takchi' timestamp='1339048334' post='21761585
Also why weight doesn't matter too much on the track.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=479110
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=479110
Btw, CCW C10s are the ones I would get, but they don't make in 17s. Might have to call them up to inquire about that to find out more info.
06-07-2012, 01:45 AM
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I'm running the 949s in 17x9 +48 ventus evo v12s on the street and at the occassional auto-x at the puny ACS parking lot. I'm getting rubbing on my inner fenders inside the wheel well also. I'm on stock suspension and running the hardrace camber joints.
I'd like a wheel that's strong, comes in 17x10 +42ish and clears a bbk, and costs less than $1500 for a set. I'm willing to sacrifice weight just as long as it doesn't weigh over 21 lbs.
I'd like a wheel that's strong, comes in 17x10 +42ish and clears a bbk, and costs less than $1500 for a set. I'm willing to sacrifice weight just as long as it doesn't weigh over 21 lbs.
06-07-2012, 03:32 AM
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I'll argue from the experience of running the 17x9.5 +38 rpf1s in the past that a 17x10 +40 will not fit that easily and is definitely going to poke even with race camber.
I'd say a 17x10 +45 would probably be the best mix of all. I also highly doubt that the NT03+M is going to look how people want. The 17" version has never had the nice looking concave face that the 18" ones get. I have a hard time believe enkei will completely redesign the wheel from the ground up. Keeping the current face and adding .5" of width wouldn't be nearly as much of a task.
Even though the size is what they want if they aren't going to look cool they aren't going to sell nearly as many as they'd like and possibly not even enough to get a group buy going. Unfortunately we need to do something that the masses want.
I agree with all others though that we don't need another STR friendly wheel out of this. There are plenty of those already. What we are missing is a good range of affordable wheels in the 17x10 +45-50 range. I think the only want this group buy will truly be worth their while is if they decide to go with a 9.5 or 10" wide wheel.
Nam, are you making contact on the inside at the top of the tire?
I'd say a 17x10 +45 would probably be the best mix of all. I also highly doubt that the NT03+M is going to look how people want. The 17" version has never had the nice looking concave face that the 18" ones get. I have a hard time believe enkei will completely redesign the wheel from the ground up. Keeping the current face and adding .5" of width wouldn't be nearly as much of a task.
Even though the size is what they want if they aren't going to look cool they aren't going to sell nearly as many as they'd like and possibly not even enough to get a group buy going. Unfortunately we need to do something that the masses want.
I agree with all others though that we don't need another STR friendly wheel out of this. There are plenty of those already. What we are missing is a good range of affordable wheels in the 17x10 +45-50 range. I think the only want this group buy will truly be worth their while is if they decide to go with a 9.5 or 10" wide wheel.
Nam, are you making contact on the inside at the top of the tire?
06-07-2012, 05:00 AM
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I'd like a RWD NA 2-seater that weighs 2000 pounds and makes 400ft lbs of torque, but costs under $25,000....
06-07-2012, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by VitaRenovatio' timestamp='1339038800' post='21761315
Mark (colatkitty) said that from his experience the Enkei NT03+M is the strongest wheel Enkei makes. He said that he has bent and re-bent countless wheels (and so have I), but he has never been able to bend the NT03+M despite all his abuse. If you could make a custom size/offset, I believe the ideal combination for the track would be 17x10 +40.
I believe +40 is ideal because:
- if you have an offset higher than +40, the wheel will be too close to the inside of the wheel well, and will actually rub against the inside of the wheel well under full compression. This applies mainly to people who are lowered on coilovers. For example, I run +48 offset, and there is actually a pretty severe wear mark because of the contact the tire makes against the inside wheel well. You can even see it starting to crack from the engine bay.
- if you have an offset lower than +40, the wheel will be too outboard to make it fit well without extensive fender modification. You can roll and pull the fender to fit +40 pretty easily.
I believe 10" width is ideal because:
- 255 is the best tire width for non-staggered naturally aspirated S2000's, too much more and the tire just does not get up to temp as well. 10" is the high end of the recommended wheel width for 255 tire.
- if you are going to make a 9.5" width, you might as well go for the 17x9.5 +38 which is being produced already.
Bottom line: there is no one who makes an affordable 17x10 +40 wheel that is strong enough to hold up against the abuse of the track. (And no, I don't consider $2700 BBS RG-R or $3000 Volk TE37 as affordable.) Make this wheel and it will sell like hotcakes amongst the racing community.
I believe +40 is ideal because:
- if you have an offset higher than +40, the wheel will be too close to the inside of the wheel well, and will actually rub against the inside of the wheel well under full compression. This applies mainly to people who are lowered on coilovers. For example, I run +48 offset, and there is actually a pretty severe wear mark because of the contact the tire makes against the inside wheel well. You can even see it starting to crack from the engine bay.
- if you have an offset lower than +40, the wheel will be too outboard to make it fit well without extensive fender modification. You can roll and pull the fender to fit +40 pretty easily.
I believe 10" width is ideal because:
- 255 is the best tire width for non-staggered naturally aspirated S2000's, too much more and the tire just does not get up to temp as well. 10" is the high end of the recommended wheel width for 255 tire.
- if you are going to make a 9.5" width, you might as well go for the 17x9.5 +38 which is being produced already.
Bottom line: there is no one who makes an affordable 17x10 +40 wheel that is strong enough to hold up against the abuse of the track. (And no, I don't consider $2700 BBS RG-R or $3000 Volk TE37 as affordable.) Make this wheel and it will sell like hotcakes amongst the racing community.
But I've got the 17X9 +45 and the 17X10 + 50's would give 18 less inner clearance. Anyone know if there is enough room for this?