Alternatives to the "big" Mugen bar: Comptech(kit) or Tanabe or ?
02-27-2003, 04:50 PM
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In comparing the Mugen to Comptech, differences of .05mm in OD and even .25mm are going to be slight at best, and are probably due more to unit conversion than actual differences. Why not just get the Comptech?
IMO the best bar for asphalt is Comptech's old 1.25"OD/.25" wall unit - see if they'll make you one...
IMO the best bar for asphalt is Comptech's old 1.25"OD/.25" wall unit - see if they'll make you one...
02-27-2003, 06:59 PM
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I looked into the Gendron and Saner bars and decided to go with Saner due to mainly to the price difference. Saner offers a 1.25" solid bar for $185. Gendron's version, though more adjustable and available in hollow core, was almost $600.
Saner's first S2000 sway bars had 2 adjustments (at about 90% and 110% stiffer than the stock '02 bar,) but the one he's making me has a third position (about 50% stiffer than stock.)
You can run searches for Gendron or Saner, or visit www.sanerperffab.com or contact Bill Gendron through http://www.smallfortuneracing.com/.
Saner's first S2000 sway bars had 2 adjustments (at about 90% and 110% stiffer than the stock '02 bar,) but the one he's making me has a third position (about 50% stiffer than stock.)
You can run searches for Gendron or Saner, or visit www.sanerperffab.com or contact Bill Gendron through http://www.smallfortuneracing.com/.
02-27-2003, 08:07 PM
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a few other notes to consider
- the Mugen has hard rubber bushings
- just about all the rest have polyeurathane bushings which are a bit harder.
only the gendron bar has lube jackets through the bushings and a valve to lube the bushings
and regarding the saner bar - it actually has three settings, not just two. with two holes on each side, you can set the bar at both front, both rear, or one front and one rear to make the third setting. the length and resistance of the bar is what matters, not so much making things all equal on both sides.
- the Mugen has hard rubber bushings
- just about all the rest have polyeurathane bushings which are a bit harder.
only the gendron bar has lube jackets through the bushings and a valve to lube the bushings
and regarding the saner bar - it actually has three settings, not just two. with two holes on each side, you can set the bar at both front, both rear, or one front and one rear to make the third setting. the length and resistance of the bar is what matters, not so much making things all equal on both sides.
02-27-2003, 08:11 PM
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with two holes on each side, you can set the bar at both front, both rear, or one front and one rear to make the third setting.
03-01-2003, 06:35 AM
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Interesting bar this Whiteline. Doses anyone here have any expierence with it?
It would be interesting to know just how much stiffer than stock it really is.
Actually, if anyone here knows how much stiffer than OEM any given bar is, please post as this would be an excellent reference.
Pierre
It would be interesting to know just how much stiffer than stock it really is.
Actually, if anyone here knows how much stiffer than OEM any given bar is, please post as this would be an excellent reference.
Pierre
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03-01-2003, 03:01 PM
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Comptech adjustable - 5 position adjustment from 162% to 278% stiffer than stock.
Don't know numbers on the Gendron bar but I suspect the hollow bar versions would be similar to above. Based on comments from S2k2fast4me, it sounds like the Gendron solid bar could have significantly more stiffness. Dunno if anyone's done the math.
A guess - the Saner bar may be on the order of 150-200% stiffer. Someone prove me wrong, please.
Don't know numbers on the Gendron bar but I suspect the hollow bar versions would be similar to above. Based on comments from S2k2fast4me, it sounds like the Gendron solid bar could have significantly more stiffness. Dunno if anyone's done the math.
A guess - the Saner bar may be on the order of 150-200% stiffer. Someone prove me wrong, please.
03-01-2003, 04:02 PM
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John Saner told me that the OEM front swaybar measures in at 295.5 lbs/inch of deflection (is that the right way to state the unit of measurement?). He said his solid bar's two settings measure 566 and 630.
So to risk further embarrassment with my math skills (or lack thereof,) I guess that makes the bar something like 90 and 110% stiffer. I imagine that I'm incorrect if the hollow core bars are stiffer than that.
So to risk further embarrassment with my math skills (or lack thereof,) I guess that makes the bar something like 90 and 110% stiffer. I imagine that I'm incorrect if the hollow core bars are stiffer than that.
03-01-2003, 05:15 PM
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What bar do you guys recommend for autoX events mostly on asphalt? I'm stock so far, but have a spare set of rims with S02's that will get Victoracers when the S02's get worn.