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Old 02-13-2009, 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by s2kpearlwhite,Feb 13 2009, 01:34 AM
how much difference doesn corner weight affects track performance? for a novice driver, any noticebale difference?
As long as your chassis is straight - no prior collision damage - then you're much better off using the money you would spend on corner balancing for drive time.

Until you're pushing the car hard using max lateral susp loading and threshold braking, corner balance isn't going to matter.

Now, alignment, that's another story altogether
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if im reading this post correctly, the anti roll bar front and rear needs to be taken off before CW?
Old 02-14-2009, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by PDS,Feb 13 2009, 12:21 PM
As long as your chassis is straight - no prior collision damage - then you're much better off using the money you would spend on corner balancing for drive time.
have to disagree. you rarely see a racer NOT CW. CW is actually a lot simpler than everyone thought. not sure why some shop charges ridiculous amount of money for it. I think it is easier than alignment. except it is more time consuming.

that said. s2k is one of the car that comes stock pretty balanced. may be that' why it isn't as popular in this crowd than others.

you definitely need corner weight if you are getting different balance going right vs left. e.g: oversteer going right and understeer going left. OR more understeer right vs. left.

in Spec Miata world, they care more about CW than ride height. you often see uneven ride heights, that's to fix CW.

when you corner weight, you unhook one side of sway bars. it would be best to use adjustable end-links. so you don't throw CW off when you hook sway bars back on.
I CW again after the sway bars goes back on.

I personally prefer CW before alignment. but that's just me, you can argue either way.
Old 02-14-2009, 08:15 AM
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so it will be ok to do as follows?
A. adjust ride height to coilover's recommended specs range
B.Do a initial CW, take note to remove sway bars 1st(dun understand why so?)
C.Alightment done.
D.Final CW

question is, what should I be aiming for in a CW? a 50/50 balance front and rear, and cross diagonal as well?
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only cross. It is not possible to do front and rear. Sway bar have to be disconnected one side or it will load up suspension. When u hoock it back on. Make sure cw hasn't changed.

I think cw twice is an overkill. Sooner or later, after coilover install. U will keep adjusting ride height. Only then would I do cw again.
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i took mine to the shop and they were able to get a 48% cross weight i believe. Which is pretty good for a DD/track car.
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from my understanding theres a lot of difference techniques and methods to do CW. anything i need to tell them besides aiming for a 50/50 cross weight without, and subsequently with the front and rear sway bars?
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Originally Posted by DCIdevil,Feb 14 2009, 10:03 AM
i took mine to the shop and they were able to get a 48% cross weight i believe. Which is pretty good for a DD/track car.
Hate to burst ur bubble. But 48% is 4% difference. In a 3000lb s2k (with driver). That's a delta of 120lb cross. Not good at all. I was getting 49.5%, and was not happy about it.

Actually on Monday. I m going to try cw again after I make changes to ride height.
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well beings the s2000 weighs what 2700lbs, i took a few pounds out of it so far and being i dont weigh 300lbs, your number is a little high.

Well with whatever they ended up with i'm sure it'll be better than what it was. (they can only do so much with the aggressive tires and wheel stance i'm running height wise).
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Originally Posted by s2kpearlwhite,Feb 14 2009, 01:42 PM
from my understanding theres a lot of difference techniques and methods to do CW. anything i need to tell them besides aiming for a 50/50 cross weight without, and subsequently with the front and rear sway bars?
You - read this:

http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets11.html


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