Mugen wing functional at all?
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Originally Posted by Importedpower' timestamp='1332941206' post='21551599
Proud to rep FAKE.-Seibon MGI have the risers, and anywhere bellow bout 90mph i can unbolt it and i dont notice any significant difference, if i max out angle you can notice a slightly less loose feel on the rear end if you jerk around a bit. i keep mine on risers but set @ lowest angle unless i plan on doing something stupid.
Do you run with your top on or off? Wow so you can only feel it at >90pmh, that's fast. Becareful and don't get a ticket. Your car looks good btw.
With it being >90mph that's not going to do you much at certain tracks. Any more personal experiences?
I NEVER drive top up unless i have to, its always top down. idc if its 40 degrees out, i have a damn heater and i can wear a jacket.
IMO: this is one of the best spoilers for an s2000 because:
Its functional
Its looks like it fits (unlike massive race wings)
Flows with the car
Affordable
Good Quality
Here is a shot of my buddy's car i did for him: theDRIFTER on here (the reason i bought it)
#32
Originally Posted by Importedpower' timestamp='1332941206' post='21551599
Proud to rep FAKE.-Seibon MGI have the risers, and anywhere bellow bout 90mph i can unbolt it and i dont notice any significant difference, if i max out angle you can notice a slightly less loose feel on the rear end if you jerk around a bit. i keep mine on risers but set @ lowest angle unless i plan on doing something stupid.
Do you run with your top on or off? Wow so you can only feel it at >90pmh, that's fast. Becareful and don't get a ticket. Your car looks good btw.
With it being >90mph that's not going to do you much at certain tracks. Any more personal experiences?
#33
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Originally Posted by kaotik25' timestamp='1332943461' post='21551749
[quote name='Importedpower' timestamp='1332941206' post='21551599']
Proud to rep FAKE.-Seibon MGI have the risers, and anywhere bellow bout 90mph i can unbolt it and i dont notice any significant difference, if i max out angle you can notice a slightly less loose feel on the rear end if you jerk around a bit. i keep mine on risers but set @ lowest angle unless i plan on doing something stupid.
Proud to rep FAKE.-Seibon MGI have the risers, and anywhere bellow bout 90mph i can unbolt it and i dont notice any significant difference, if i max out angle you can notice a slightly less loose feel on the rear end if you jerk around a bit. i keep mine on risers but set @ lowest angle unless i plan on doing something stupid.
Do you run with your top on or off? Wow so you can only feel it at >90pmh, that's fast. Becareful and don't get a ticket. Your car looks good btw.
With it being >90mph that's not going to do you much at certain tracks. Any more personal experiences?
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It's not just the height, it is also the pitch that you have the wing adjusted too. I can notice differences changing the pitch on the wing, I really want to pick up some risers for my next track outing to see how much more of an impact it has.
#34
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Also, keep in mind, you should be running a front splitter of some sort to aid in keeping the nose down, the more downforce you have in the back can fight against you if your nose starts lifting.
This is why the CR's aero is functional, the front and rear work together.
This is why the CR's aero is functional, the front and rear work together.
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Originally Posted by drkphnx' timestamp='1332949662' post='21552105
[quote name='kaotik25' timestamp='1332943461' post='21551749']
[quote name='Importedpower' timestamp='1332941206' post='21551599']
Proud to rep FAKE.-Seibon MGI have the risers, and anywhere bellow bout 90mph i can unbolt it and i dont notice any significant difference, if i max out angle you can notice a slightly less loose feel on the rear end if you jerk around a bit. i keep mine on risers but set @ lowest angle unless i plan on doing something stupid.
[quote name='Importedpower' timestamp='1332941206' post='21551599']
Proud to rep FAKE.-Seibon MGI have the risers, and anywhere bellow bout 90mph i can unbolt it and i dont notice any significant difference, if i max out angle you can notice a slightly less loose feel on the rear end if you jerk around a bit. i keep mine on risers but set @ lowest angle unless i plan on doing something stupid.
Do you run with your top on or off? Wow so you can only feel it at >90pmh, that's fast. Becareful and don't get a ticket. Your car looks good btw.
With it being >90mph that's not going to do you much at certain tracks. Any more personal experiences?
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It's not just the height, it is also the pitch that you have the wing adjusted too. I can notice differences changing the pitch on the wing, I really want to pick up some risers for my next track outing to see how much more of an impact it has.
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That's what i meant by angle lol
Also, keep in mind, you should be running a front splitter of some sort to aid in keeping the nose down, the more downforce you have in the back can fight against you if your nose starts lifting.
This is why the CR's aero is functional, the front and rear work together.
This is why the CR's aero is functional, the front and rear work together.
#36
Originally Posted by drkphnx' timestamp='1332949662' post='21552105
[quote name='kaotik25' timestamp='1332943461' post='21551749'][quote name='Importedpower' timestamp='1332941206' post='21551599']Proud to rep FAKE.-Seibon MGI have the risers, and anywhere bellow bout 90mph i can unbolt it and i dont notice any significant difference, if i max out angle you can notice a slightly less loose feel on the rear end if you jerk around a bit. i keep mine on risers but set @ lowest angle unless i plan on doing something stupid.
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Yes the AoA (angle of attack) does have a significant role in downforce but since most GT wing aerofoil are cambered you should see added downforce at zero AoA with minimal drag. With increase in AoA you are also increasing drag, depending on the profile of your aerofoil this drag may not be much but it depends on the profile. I usually like to run zero AoA to minimize drag seen as how my stock engine doesn't produce much power. I have not increase AoA ( pointing down) at the leading edge but Alex Doan did change his wing angle this past weekend at the track and he definitely felt the increase in downforce with negligible drag increase.
Also, keep in mind, you should be running a front splitter of some sort to aid in keeping the nose down, the more downforce you have in the back can fight against you if your nose starts lifting.This is why the CR's aero is functional, the front and rear work together.
I'm liking this discussion guys, keep it going. It's very informative.
#38
i'm sure any wing like the mugen will be functional at high speeds. think of the airplane flaps on their wings. they extend downwards to a certain degree to generate lift as the massive engine thrust pushes the plane forward. the rear wings on cars should be the exact opposite where it's kinda tilted up for all designs. do some research on the bernoulli's principle and you'll understand more. i really think a lot of race car downforce technologies came from airplanes. same goes to vortex generators where the point of them is to split air to reduce drag. those were first introduced on airplanes.
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Yes the AoA (angle of attack) does have a significant role in downforce but since most GT wing aerofoil are cambered you should see added downforce at zero AoA with minimal drag. With increase in AoA you are also increasing drag, depending on the profile of your aerofoil this drag may not be much but it depends on the profile. I usually like to run zero AoA to minimize drag seen as how my stock engine doesn't produce much power. I have not increase AoA ( pointing down) at the leading edge but Alex Doan did change his wing angle this past weekend at the track and he definitely felt the increase in downforce with negligible drag increase.
Yes I totally agreee with Spider that having rear downforce only may hurt you at the track due to front lift and cause understeer. A well balanced car has to also balance the added downforce front and rear. A front splitter would definitely help or cannards (i run dual cannards) and flat under panel.
I'm liking this discussion guys, keep it going. It's very informative.
Originally Posted by sam_spider' timestamp='1332962482' post='21552960
Also, keep in mind, you should be running a front splitter of some sort to aid in keeping the nose down, the more downforce you have in the back can fight against you if your nose starts lifting.This is why the CR's aero is functional, the front and rear work together.
I'm liking this discussion guys, keep it going. It's very informative.
The CR's aero is primarily to decrease drag, rather than increase downforce. While the lip increases downforce in the front (s2ks make downforce in the front stock), the rear wing only reduces lift; there's still a net lift in the rear.
To balance the aero, you need a huge splitter, and minimal angle on a voltex. Both need to be adjustable to achieve neutrality, and even then, it will only be perfectly neutral at one velocity. At all others, one will overpower the other.
Sure, the mugen wing works on risers, but it's very inefficient. The chord is way too small to work at higher mounting points. Notice how chord gets larger as wings get mounted higher. (oem wing, mugen wing, CR wing, GTC200, Voltex 1S, any Voltex GT wing, all in order of height and chord).