Cusco 4 Point vs Cusco Safety 21 4 Point
12-27-2007, 05:16 PM
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^^ I'm sure he would have turned out fine if there was no aftermarket bar in there as well.
In my opinion, both those bars are just for looks. They aren't in "spec" with most SCCA regulations, and even some HPDE frown upon them. I don't think it's fair to point out that one "famous" accident with the Cusco bars and say that they're "safe" just because of that. I'm sure if you put any piece of welded material in the same area in the same fashion, it'll protect to an extent. If it was a SERIOUS rollover, that bar would have snapped or buckled.
That being said, I think they look good. It's hard nowadays to get a bar that looks good AND is very functional. If you're just going to have fun on the street and track every once in a while, go nuts with the Cusco.
In my opinion, both those bars are just for looks. They aren't in "spec" with most SCCA regulations, and even some HPDE frown upon them. I don't think it's fair to point out that one "famous" accident with the Cusco bars and say that they're "safe" just because of that. I'm sure if you put any piece of welded material in the same area in the same fashion, it'll protect to an extent. If it was a SERIOUS rollover, that bar would have snapped or buckled.
That being said, I think they look good. It's hard nowadays to get a bar that looks good AND is very functional. If you're just going to have fun on the street and track every once in a while, go nuts with the Cusco.
12-27-2007, 11:51 PM
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as for the "only for looks comment", in some cases this isn't true. Those like myself that have one piece buckets, not having harnesses, such as a four point, is probably a very big safety concern as my lap belt cannot be tightened to my waist. This is my reasoning behind purchasing my roll bar in the near future.
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12-28-2007, 06:58 AM
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"Safe" and "unsafe" aren't necessarily the right words to be using here. There are degrees of safety. Some things are more safe than others. And some are more safe in particular situations and less safe in others. A rollover crash is not "safe" in any event.
I chose to install a roll bar that was custom welded to avoid many of the issues the Cusco bar has, but the downside is that I lost much of the interior and the soft top. Not a big issue in a track car. Less than ideal for a street car, though.
There is no simple solution to this problem in the S2000, although the Hard Dog bar (former Elda design) probably comes closest. Everything has compromises.
I chose to install a roll bar that was custom welded to avoid many of the issues the Cusco bar has, but the downside is that I lost much of the interior and the soft top. Not a big issue in a track car. Less than ideal for a street car, though.
There is no simple solution to this problem in the S2000, although the Hard Dog bar (former Elda design) probably comes closest. Everything has compromises.
12-28-2007, 10:22 AM
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Take 10 sec and look at the SCCA spec. If it doesn't meet that it is worthless IMHO.
XCarbon vs chromemolly, OK mr materials engineer tell me why one is automatically inferior? How about DOM, how are the welds completed, what are the plates attached to, how is the load spread??????????? Give me a break.
XCarbon vs chromemolly, OK mr materials engineer tell me why one is automatically inferior? How about DOM, how are the welds completed, what are the plates attached to, how is the load spread??????????? Give me a break.
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