Asura Design 3" High Flow Cat Mini-review
09-16-2011, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by macr88' timestamp='1316178338' post='20978714
You almost got me started 
Anyway, it's total bs and I'd much rather see people run a highflow cat vs a test pipe. If a highflow cat isn't legal then why is anyone going to waste money on one when they can just run a test pipe.
Anyway, it's total bs and I'd much rather see people run a highflow cat vs a test pipe. If a highflow cat isn't legal then why is anyone going to waste money on one when they can just run a test pipe.
09-16-2011, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by whiteflash' timestamp='1316197417' post='20979848
[quote name='macr88' timestamp='1316178338' post='20978714']
You almost got me started
Anyway, it's total bs and I'd much rather see people run a highflow cat vs a test pipe. If a highflow cat isn't legal then why is anyone going to waste money on one when they can just run a test pipe.
You almost got me started
Anyway, it's total bs and I'd much rather see people run a highflow cat vs a test pipe. If a highflow cat isn't legal then why is anyone going to waste money on one when they can just run a test pipe.
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I'm in agreement with 'the flash' here. I don't want stinky fumes coming out of my ride.
09-16-2011, 12:12 PM
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Asura replied to me today stating that in mid-2009, prior to the Cali law change, there were CARB EO #'s on the Asura HFC. This means that everyone is correct. The older models have CARB EO, the newer ones don't. The question still remains whether the old ones are legal, since the law was passed. My guess is not, since the parts are not listed on CARBs website through manufacturer search, but I still need the actual CARB # to run the specific check.
09-22-2011, 10:33 PM
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This HFC made by asura is 100% not street legal in Cali, I failed two smog tests today.
Do NOT NOT try to pass smog with this on your car its an auto-fail, instantly, no questions asked.
Do NOT NOT try to pass smog with this on your car its an auto-fail, instantly, no questions asked.
09-23-2011, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Vitt,Jan 22 2011, 01:16 AM
Even if the Asura is CARB approved that doesn't necessarily make it legal for all cars. Car has to be more than 7 years old and have over 70K miles for starters, but there are other requirements as well: here is the complete list: http://www.car-sound...sics/04carb.asp
So with all of that in mind, if you've got a high flow cat that doesn't stink or give any outward signs of being modified, do you think its even going to be an issue that's brought up? Think about it. Cops notice the test pipe smell, but they'll automatically assume the car has a (stock) cat if it smells/acts like it does with the Asura HFC. There is absolutely no way to tell without jacking up the car whether or not the car has a stock cat or HFC judging by outward appearances and behaviors.
This is not even a concern. The part is CARB exempt and passes visual inspection, and that's what matters. Not to mention that it'd only be an issue in California.
Regardless, any smog inspection station will spot it immediately. Many will probably decline to even test you because they won't want to hassle figuring out if the cat is CARB legal.
09-23-2011, 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Disgustipated' timestamp='1295686762' post='20129051
Originally Posted by Vitt,Jan 22 2011, 01:16 AM
Even if the Asura is CARB approved that doesn't necessarily make it legal for all cars. Car has to be more than 7 years old and have over 70K miles for starters, but there are other requirements as well: here is the complete list: http://www.car-sound...sics/04carb.asp
So with all of that in mind, if you've got a high flow cat that doesn't stink or give any outward signs of being modified, do you think its even going to be an issue that's brought up? Think about it. Cops notice the test pipe smell, but they'll automatically assume the car has a (stock) cat if it smells/acts like it does with the Asura HFC. There is absolutely no way to tell without jacking up the car whether or not the car has a stock cat or HFC judging by outward appearances and behaviors.
This is not even a concern. The part is CARB exempt and passes visual inspection, and that's what matters. Not to mention that it'd only be an issue in California.
Regardless, any smog inspection station will spot it immediately. Many will probably decline to even test you because they won't want to hassle figuring out if the cat is CARB legal.
My experience today was two fold:
1. The first shop instantly failed me, took no money, and refused to test me, telling me I would fail (an honest approach IMO).
2. The second shop did a visual inspection, then proceeded to test my car with the sniffer, then despite passing the emissions, failed me on the visual at the end (a dishonest approach IMO). So basically, I am stuck going back to this place, since they have a free re-test.
09-23-2011, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by davidc1' timestamp='1316765560' post='20998257
[quote name='Disgustipated' timestamp='1295686762' post='20129051']
Allow me to assert a little real talk here: police do not truly understand or even know the laws they're enforcing. do you think a police officer is going to know those silly guidelines for CARB? No. Do you think he's going to get on his hands and knees to check whether a cat is in place or not? No. Do you think he's going to freak out if he popped my hood and sees my K&N intake with its CARB legal sticker? No.
So with all of that in mind, if you've got a high flow cat that doesn't stink or give any outward signs of being modified, do you think its even going to be an issue that's brought up? Think about it. Cops notice the test pipe smell, but they'll automatically assume the car has a (stock) cat if it smells/acts like it does with the Asura HFC. There is absolutely no way to tell without jacking up the car whether or not the car has a stock cat or HFC judging by outward appearances and behaviors.
This is not even a concern. The part is CARB exempt and passes visual inspection, and that's what matters. Not to mention that it'd only be an issue in California.
Originally Posted by Vitt,Jan 22 2011, 01:16 AM
Even if the Asura is CARB approved that doesn't necessarily make it legal for all cars. Car has to be more than 7 years old and have over 70K miles for starters, but there are other requirements as well: here is the complete list: http://www.car-sound...sics/04carb.asp
So with all of that in mind, if you've got a high flow cat that doesn't stink or give any outward signs of being modified, do you think its even going to be an issue that's brought up? Think about it. Cops notice the test pipe smell, but they'll automatically assume the car has a (stock) cat if it smells/acts like it does with the Asura HFC. There is absolutely no way to tell without jacking up the car whether or not the car has a stock cat or HFC judging by outward appearances and behaviors.
This is not even a concern. The part is CARB exempt and passes visual inspection, and that's what matters. Not to mention that it'd only be an issue in California.
Regardless, any smog inspection station will spot it immediately. Many will probably decline to even test you because they won't want to hassle figuring out if the cat is CARB legal.
My experience today was two fold:
1. The first shop instantly failed me, took no money, and refused to test me, telling me I would fail (an honest approach IMO).
2. The second shop did a visual inspection, then proceeded to test my car with the sniffer, then despite passing the emissions, failed me on the visual at the end (a dishonest approach IMO). So basically, I am stuck going back to this place, since they have a free re-test.
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I think it's a little bit of a hassle. From what I understand, even though the CARB number may be stamped on the part, the shop still has to look it up in a book or manual published by the CARB. However, the shop has to buy this book. And, it's expensive. So, if a shop doesn't buy the book, they can't look it up, and therefore won't pass it.
But I'm a bit confused. Why did the second shop fail you on the visual inspection if the part had the CARB number on it?
09-23-2011, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by eklipz98' timestamp='1316765805' post='20998261
[quote name='davidc1' timestamp='1316765560' post='20998257']
[quote name='Disgustipated' timestamp='1295686762' post='20129051']
Allow me to assert a little real talk here: police do not truly understand or even know the laws they're enforcing. do you think a police officer is going to know those silly guidelines for CARB? No. Do you think he's going to get on his hands and knees to check whether a cat is in place or not? No. Do you think he's going to freak out if he popped my hood and sees my K&N intake with its CARB legal sticker? No.
So with all of that in mind, if you've got a high flow cat that doesn't stink or give any outward signs of being modified, do you think its even going to be an issue that's brought up? Think about it. Cops notice the test pipe smell, but they'll automatically assume the car has a (stock) cat if it smells/acts like it does with the Asura HFC. There is absolutely no way to tell without jacking up the car whether or not the car has a stock cat or HFC judging by outward appearances and behaviors.
This is not even a concern. The part is CARB exempt and passes visual inspection, and that's what matters. Not to mention that it'd only be an issue in California.
[quote name='Disgustipated' timestamp='1295686762' post='20129051']
Originally Posted by Vitt,Jan 22 2011, 01:16 AM
Even if the Asura is CARB approved that doesn't necessarily make it legal for all cars. Car has to be more than 7 years old and have over 70K miles for starters, but there are other requirements as well: here is the complete list: http://www.car-sound...sics/04carb.asp
So with all of that in mind, if you've got a high flow cat that doesn't stink or give any outward signs of being modified, do you think its even going to be an issue that's brought up? Think about it. Cops notice the test pipe smell, but they'll automatically assume the car has a (stock) cat if it smells/acts like it does with the Asura HFC. There is absolutely no way to tell without jacking up the car whether or not the car has a stock cat or HFC judging by outward appearances and behaviors.
This is not even a concern. The part is CARB exempt and passes visual inspection, and that's what matters. Not to mention that it'd only be an issue in California.
Regardless, any smog inspection station will spot it immediately. Many will probably decline to even test you because they won't want to hassle figuring out if the cat is CARB legal.
My experience today was two fold:
1. The first shop instantly failed me, took no money, and refused to test me, telling me I would fail (an honest approach IMO).
2. The second shop did a visual inspection, then proceeded to test my car with the sniffer, then despite passing the emissions, failed me on the visual at the end (a dishonest approach IMO). So basically, I am stuck going back to this place, since they have a free re-test.
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I think it's a little bit of a hassle. From what I understand, even though the CARB number may be stamped on the part, the shop still has to look it up in a book or manual published by the CARB. However, the shop has to buy this book. And, it's expensive. So, if a shop doesn't buy the book, they can't look it up, and therefore won't pass it.
But I'm a bit confused. Why did the second shop fail you on the visual inspection if the part had the CARB number on it?
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It was not a CARB EO number, it was a item/model number.
09-23-2011, 06:29 PM
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Keep in mind it might not be that part, it might just be that part in my car. When I only had my K&N / Asura exhaust, and I put on the cat, the afr crept up about ~1.5 if I remember right from my data logs. Keep in mind when you test a hfc for passing a sniffer, everything else remains the same. The issue is likely due to tuning (or lack of it).
And goodluck with my cat tomorrow
And goodluck with my cat tomorrow
09-24-2011, 01:48 AM
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Keep in mind it might not be that part, it might just be that part in my car. When I only had my K&N / Asura exhaust, and I put on the cat, the afr crept up about ~1.5 if I remember right from my data logs. Keep in mind when you test a hfc for passing a sniffer, everything else remains the same. The issue is likely due to tuning (or lack of it).
And goodluck with my cat tomorrow
And goodluck with my cat tomorrow