300WHP without SC or Turbo for Less money. For you
04-02-2010, 07:13 PM
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300WHP without SC or Turbo for Less money. For you
This is what i am doing to my s2k over the span of the next 2 years. For what I want from an s2k this presents me with a better option of still getting to 300whp, having a great reliable DD, and still have a little flash, and probably being able to crush 300whp FI s2ks :-0
And this poses another option over SC or Turbo FI.
What you could do with your 6k you’re paying for a SC or Turbo. S2000 – BUILD!
STAGE 1:
K&N FIPK SRI - $300 – Advertised – 11hp – Reality 5-8hp.
T1R 70R-EM Sparrow Dual Exhaust - $1250 – Advertised 12hp – Reality – 10 -12 hp (from multiple dynos I’ve seen).
Hy-Tech Race Headers with High Flow Catback Pipe – 1400$ - This is an important one, not only does it add a good amount of horsepower, it’s going to free up a fair amount of hp out of your intake and exhaust to begin with. So additional HP with the test pipe – 15-17whp. From the Dynos i've seen.
5 + 15 + 10 = 30 HP at the lowest estimated gains.
8 + 12 + 17 = 37HP maybe 40 if they work really well together.
Estimated total WHP gain – at least 30 whp maybe 40. Before you go all “No way! “ on me. While none of these mods alone might give you those kind of numbers, In conjunction with each other? They each add a little horsepower to one another and that can really add up. At least that's what i'm banking on
STAGE 1.5 or 2.5 depending upon which you do first:
NOS Nitrous “Dry” 50 shot. $750-900 when all is said and done.
Box of Copper Spark plugs - 20$s.
Estimated wHP gain – 50whp. (Yeah nitrous isn't a joke, you'll get 50whp from a 50shot.)
Pause: For those of you, who think nitrous is a terrible idea. Nitrous is a lot better for a high compression engine than boost is to begin with. With today's technology, it's no more dangerous than running a turbo or SC. And you get the Gains from nitrous immediately and constantly through the RPM window you set it at, so in fact you'd get your power sooner and in fact perform better while on the bottle than an s2k with the same whp through FI. Plus true gearheads like to work on their babies. Changing out spark plugs is a fun, mindless job and ritual you'll only have to do ever 3k-4k miles or 20-30lbs of boost, that will give you just a nice relaxing amount of time that you can spend working on your car and just enjoying your S2k.
Plus a 50 shot of nitrous isn't going to break anything. It's not going to make you run lean with a good nitrous kit, which for the money i've put up, you can buy. I Chose dry over wet because there is a tendency for wet kits to puddle up, especially with the S2k, and a 50 dry kit won't have this problem. Also for those who don't know, "Dry" kits nowadays, are almost like wet kits, in that they bring up extra fuel into the pistons to prevent you from running lean. So it's not going to be an issue. (I hope)
STAGE 2:
AEM EMS - $1000 – $900 if you can get it used, which you can.
Tune - $250 (Depends where ya go)
Estimated Bonus HP from the Tune --…..15hp maybe 20 if you’re lucky. Not really sure though. Could be more could be less, it's very hard to tell with a tune.
Final Numbers:
15 + 50 + 30 = 95whp
20 + 50 + 40 = 110whp
Total WHP gain – between 95whp – 110hp. For a total cost of $4970
Depending upon your S2000s stock whp. You’ll end up with somewhere around 300-320whp.
All for the Price of $4970!!!
In conclusion – Some of you may be saying to yourselves…..well 1000$s isn’t that different…and I’d only get that 50whp if I’m using the nitrous. True. But it’s easier on your engine to NOT have an extra 100hp running through your engine 24/7. Plus…..Nitrous kicks ass. This set up also allows you to buy things in pieces, not have to save up 6k and spend it all at once. You’re engine will sound better (in my opinion), and you’ll also have a more reliable and better running DD. Plus when all is said and done, you’ll have a LOT of the upgrades you’d need to run a SC or a Turbo efficiently. Upgraded exhaust and headers, an EMS and tune, plus test pipe with a 1000$ left over for suspension and handling upgrades, or reinforcing your rear end and clutch.
What you can do with your extra 1000$! Anything you want!
STAGE 3:
Eibach Lowering Springs – $400
Comptech Reinforced housing - $400
Intake Manifold/Throttle body – who knows
Anyway - this is the plan thus far.
I'll keep everyone posted with Dynos as i go through and add these mods one by one.
Okay. Whew. Questions? Opinions?
And this poses another option over SC or Turbo FI.
What you could do with your 6k you’re paying for a SC or Turbo. S2000 – BUILD!
STAGE 1:
K&N FIPK SRI - $300 – Advertised – 11hp – Reality 5-8hp.
T1R 70R-EM Sparrow Dual Exhaust - $1250 – Advertised 12hp – Reality – 10 -12 hp (from multiple dynos I’ve seen).
Hy-Tech Race Headers with High Flow Catback Pipe – 1400$ - This is an important one, not only does it add a good amount of horsepower, it’s going to free up a fair amount of hp out of your intake and exhaust to begin with. So additional HP with the test pipe – 15-17whp. From the Dynos i've seen.
5 + 15 + 10 = 30 HP at the lowest estimated gains.
8 + 12 + 17 = 37HP maybe 40 if they work really well together.
Estimated total WHP gain – at least 30 whp maybe 40. Before you go all “No way! “ on me. While none of these mods alone might give you those kind of numbers, In conjunction with each other? They each add a little horsepower to one another and that can really add up. At least that's what i'm banking on
STAGE 1.5 or 2.5 depending upon which you do first:
NOS Nitrous “Dry” 50 shot. $750-900 when all is said and done.
Box of Copper Spark plugs - 20$s.
Estimated wHP gain – 50whp. (Yeah nitrous isn't a joke, you'll get 50whp from a 50shot.)
Pause: For those of you, who think nitrous is a terrible idea. Nitrous is a lot better for a high compression engine than boost is to begin with. With today's technology, it's no more dangerous than running a turbo or SC. And you get the Gains from nitrous immediately and constantly through the RPM window you set it at, so in fact you'd get your power sooner and in fact perform better while on the bottle than an s2k with the same whp through FI. Plus true gearheads like to work on their babies. Changing out spark plugs is a fun, mindless job and ritual you'll only have to do ever 3k-4k miles or 20-30lbs of boost, that will give you just a nice relaxing amount of time that you can spend working on your car and just enjoying your S2k.
Plus a 50 shot of nitrous isn't going to break anything. It's not going to make you run lean with a good nitrous kit, which for the money i've put up, you can buy. I Chose dry over wet because there is a tendency for wet kits to puddle up, especially with the S2k, and a 50 dry kit won't have this problem. Also for those who don't know, "Dry" kits nowadays, are almost like wet kits, in that they bring up extra fuel into the pistons to prevent you from running lean. So it's not going to be an issue. (I hope)
STAGE 2:
AEM EMS - $1000 – $900 if you can get it used, which you can.
Tune - $250 (Depends where ya go)
Estimated Bonus HP from the Tune --…..15hp maybe 20 if you’re lucky. Not really sure though. Could be more could be less, it's very hard to tell with a tune.
Final Numbers:
15 + 50 + 30 = 95whp
20 + 50 + 40 = 110whp
Total WHP gain – between 95whp – 110hp. For a total cost of $4970
Depending upon your S2000s stock whp. You’ll end up with somewhere around 300-320whp.
All for the Price of $4970!!!
In conclusion – Some of you may be saying to yourselves…..well 1000$s isn’t that different…and I’d only get that 50whp if I’m using the nitrous. True. But it’s easier on your engine to NOT have an extra 100hp running through your engine 24/7. Plus…..Nitrous kicks ass. This set up also allows you to buy things in pieces, not have to save up 6k and spend it all at once. You’re engine will sound better (in my opinion), and you’ll also have a more reliable and better running DD. Plus when all is said and done, you’ll have a LOT of the upgrades you’d need to run a SC or a Turbo efficiently. Upgraded exhaust and headers, an EMS and tune, plus test pipe with a 1000$ left over for suspension and handling upgrades, or reinforcing your rear end and clutch.
What you can do with your extra 1000$! Anything you want!
STAGE 3:
Eibach Lowering Springs – $400
Comptech Reinforced housing - $400
Intake Manifold/Throttle body – who knows
Anyway - this is the plan thus far.
I'll keep everyone posted with Dynos as i go through and add these mods one by one.
Okay. Whew. Questions? Opinions?
04-02-2010, 07:29 PM
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Hahahaha i know. i realize it's coming. But before it starts, let me just say as a pre-cursor. We all know that nothing goes according to plan, and half the gains you think you'll get you often don't. But i think there is water to this theory. And i hope everyone bears in mind, that i'm really only theorizing about 40-60 horsepower from all my mods, and that 50 straight horsepower will be coming from nitrous.
Here's a dyno of a hytech header fyi. 15-17 hp isn't outrageous.
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=760745
Here's a dyno of a hytech header fyi. 15-17 hp isn't outrageous.
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=760745
04-02-2010, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by kenchow69,Apr 2 2010, 07:25 PM
Your high estimate for Intake/Cat/Header/Exhaust requires AEM EMS + tune.
04-02-2010, 07:44 PM
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After all that you can pull into the graphics shop and get the full Need for Speed look!
j/k. Good luck and invest in a dyno membership so you can document the effect of each part.
j/k. Good luck and invest in a dyno membership so you can document the effect of each part.
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04-02-2010, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by iluvmys2000,Apr 2 2010, 07:40 PM
5-8 from fipk noo wayyy. maybe 2 at most
5whp Gain right there.
Can't argue with that. Dyno was within minutes of each other.
04-02-2010, 07:48 PM
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Yeah i was considering that, but you know, i am always of the opinion that it's better to just do things right, and move slower. So that later down the road, if i get a second car and really want to crank the power up. I've got the best i can. Plus i can still run a 65 shot. the nitrous kit i'm going to buy is going to come with a 50 65 76 shot options. So it's doable.