SOS TS Max Turbo Kit Build Thread
10-22-2013, 06:08 AM
#291
Originally Posted by SlowTeg
Yup.. I'd guess it's a little bit of everything. The #2 & #3 runners are very short and have an abrupt turn, definitely not good for flow. On top of that everyone and their mom is comparing this against externally gated turbos (that likely dump to atmosphere). That's a whole lot of flow that bipasses the turbo. It's unfortunate that it looks like it chokes a little on the top end, but like others said, the kit was NOT designed for peak power. I would personally be content with ~400whp on pump gas, but if you're looking to make big power, perhaps you ought to look at a manifold with a nice merge collector. Unfortunately there are trade offs for everything, and in order to make a nice/neat/oem like package, you can't have a merge collector.
10-22-2013, 06:17 AM
#293
Thread Starter
Yes, a 3inch from the turbo to the differential where it splits to twin 2.5inch. The exhaust is not nearly as loud as when I had the blower. The turbo acts as a muffler.
Just supercharge that turbo and be done with it already 
You still never ran the 1200 to its full capability after everything you have done so far, which is sort of unfortunate, your attention span seems way to short. This doesn't really give you apples to apples comparison. You made 300trq/390hp on this turbo, but with a 3-3.2" pulley you could have made 300trq/450whp on the same 93 pump. If your looking for a faster strait line car, that would have been it, if not, well we don't really know what your looking for
I didn't run the N1200 to max capacity because I was at 412ish whp with a 3.8in pulley, which netted me approx 14psi. I didn't feel it was wise to go any higher on boost pressure, regardless of what others have done.
The turbo car with similiar HP and torque will be faster than a SC setup, hands down. Its not about the power. Its the fact that the power flat lines near 7k. I could run it on 10psi instead and have the curve I want, but it is much less power than I had before, which is what I do not want.
Chris, my tuner told me it did creep and he did not add duty to the solenoid. I do not know how much you have tested the 3576, but all I know is what I ended up with. Ive considered getting the car retuned with race gas, but i have partially lost interest in the setup in general as I do not wish to run race gas to get the power curve I want. Im fully invested into Kpro which does not fully support e85 yet, and running e85 is somewhat of an option, but I'm not willing to go down that path even if I had AEM EMS. Again, I prefer 93oct and race gas.
This kit is perfect for someone wanting a medium amount of power with reliability, possibly for a track car. But going from what Ive done/seen/felt with other setups, I do not think a proper power curve and 400whp is too much to ask for on pump gas. Heck, I would have taken the 393whp with a proper power curve. The power flat lining is what bothers me the most. I inquired about upgrading my 3576 to a 3582 on the phone with you before I posted my dyno sheet, but you seemed shocked that I wanted to do that and dismissed it, making me feel like I was on my own if I wanted to do it. I can only assume it will cost more money to upgrade the turbo, and I am currently not willing to fork out a large amoutn of cash at this moment to do it. I called you and inquired about the 3582 upgrade because I KNEW the members of s2ki would feel the same way about the curve as did I. Running race gas will most likely make more power as expected, but it will still flat line somewhere.
Also, I do not want to hear you say you do not recommend XXX hp at XXX psi on xxx octane fuel anymore. I know what the risk is and so does everyone else. Not to sound like a dick, but I feel that is your sticking point to any conversation we have. Again, my concern is the flat line not the peak hp number.
Originally Posted by RAIN H8R' timestamp='1382362523' post='22837937
As of right now I have no plans for what is next. I have so many ideas rolling around in my head but it is better that I dont even post about it so I dont look like a whack job. No, im not rich I just never seem to be satisfied with anything.
Turbo vs sc... well the turbo is better because of the power of course. Plus I was getting better MPG even while putting the throttle down.
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Turbo vs sc... well the turbo is better because of the power of course. Plus I was getting better MPG even while putting the throttle down.
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You still never ran the 1200 to its full capability after everything you have done so far, which is sort of unfortunate, your attention span seems way to short. This doesn't really give you apples to apples comparison. You made 300trq/390hp on this turbo, but with a 3-3.2" pulley you could have made 300trq/450whp on the same 93 pump. If your looking for a faster strait line car, that would have been it, if not, well we don't really know what your looking for
The turbo car with similiar HP and torque will be faster than a SC setup, hands down. Its not about the power. Its the fact that the power flat lines near 7k. I could run it on 10psi instead and have the curve I want, but it is much less power than I had before, which is what I do not want.
Chris, my tuner told me it did creep and he did not add duty to the solenoid. I do not know how much you have tested the 3576, but all I know is what I ended up with. Ive considered getting the car retuned with race gas, but i have partially lost interest in the setup in general as I do not wish to run race gas to get the power curve I want. Im fully invested into Kpro which does not fully support e85 yet, and running e85 is somewhat of an option, but I'm not willing to go down that path even if I had AEM EMS. Again, I prefer 93oct and race gas.
This kit is perfect for someone wanting a medium amount of power with reliability, possibly for a track car. But going from what Ive done/seen/felt with other setups, I do not think a proper power curve and 400whp is too much to ask for on pump gas. Heck, I would have taken the 393whp with a proper power curve. The power flat lining is what bothers me the most. I inquired about upgrading my 3576 to a 3582 on the phone with you before I posted my dyno sheet, but you seemed shocked that I wanted to do that and dismissed it, making me feel like I was on my own if I wanted to do it. I can only assume it will cost more money to upgrade the turbo, and I am currently not willing to fork out a large amoutn of cash at this moment to do it. I called you and inquired about the 3582 upgrade because I KNEW the members of s2ki would feel the same way about the curve as did I. Running race gas will most likely make more power as expected, but it will still flat line somewhere.
Also, I do not want to hear you say you do not recommend XXX hp at XXX psi on xxx octane fuel anymore. I know what the risk is and so does everyone else. Not to sound like a dick, but I feel that is your sticking point to any conversation we have. Again, my concern is the flat line not the peak hp number.
10-22-2013, 06:20 AM
#294
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by SlowTeg
Yup.. I'd guess it's a little bit of everything. The #2 & #3 runners are very short and have an abrupt turn, definitely not good for flow. On top of that everyone and their mom is comparing this against externally gated turbos (that likely dump to atmosphere). That's a whole lot of flow that bipasses the turbo. It's unfortunate that it looks like it chokes a little on the top end, but like others said, the kit was NOT designed for peak power. I would personally be content with ~400whp on pump gas, but if you're looking to make big power, perhaps you ought to look at a manifold with a nice merge collector. Unfortunately there are trade offs for everything, and in order to make a nice/neat/oem like package, you can't have a merge collector.
10-22-2013, 06:40 AM
#295
I intend on giving an HONEST opinion. I think you know that about me.
10-22-2013, 07:15 AM
#298
Originally Posted by RAIN H8R
Are you saying I am not honest?! :-P
10-22-2013, 07:45 AM
#300
Former Sponsor
It does seem like that would give you what you want. If it's true what SOS is saying you just selected too small of a compressor for your setup.