PAR Syncromesh Engagement (Straight cut)
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PAR Syncromesh Engagement (Straight cut)
So after costing everything out, It seems the PAR Gearset (for what I plan on doing) is going to be a better choice than a V160 swap. ($5200-$6400) I was looking at Kings performance webpage (http://store.kingsperformance.com/pr...t-straight-cut) and there is an added option for the reduction gear. What exactly is the job of the reduction gear and how weak is the OEM one?
The other question I have, is what is the going rate for someone to install these gears in my OEM case?
Thanks
Also, with my power 635, (not planning on much more) would a Dogbox engagement allow me to shift that much quicker and run a faster ET. The main issue I have now is not using all the power down loa, I really want to lay down a lot of power in 2nd......
The other question I have, is what is the going rate for someone to install these gears in my OEM case?
Thanks
Also, with my power 635, (not planning on much more) would a Dogbox engagement allow me to shift that much quicker and run a faster ET. The main issue I have now is not using all the power down loa, I really want to lay down a lot of power in 2nd......
#2
The stock reduction gear is 1.16:1 which connects the secondary shaft to the countershaft. Think of it a common gear in the tranny, similar to a final drive. I've never heard of these breaking under load.
Good topic, I was just browsing the dox bog gears available for our tranny as well. I believe you need to add cost of the syncros as well, since you're in there.
Here's another dog box supplier: http://www.ericksracing.com/HONDA-S2...2k-dog-tra.htm
Good topic, I was just browsing the dox bog gears available for our tranny as well. I believe you need to add cost of the syncros as well, since you're in there.
Here's another dog box supplier: http://www.ericksracing.com/HONDA-S2...2k-dog-tra.htm
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^ Thanks! Whats the price of OEM AP2 syncros?
I have been to that page as well, I believe it's PAR as well. I was looking at Dogbox, but have read mixed things on driving it on the street and haveing to rebuild it often etc...
I have been to that page as well, I believe it's PAR as well. I was looking at Dogbox, but have read mixed things on driving it on the street and haveing to rebuild it often etc...
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Stock synchronizers (and other gear related parts):
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...NSHAFT+%281%29
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...RSHAFT+%281%29
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...NSHAFT+%281%29
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...RSHAFT+%281%29
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King's Performance dog-box is manufactured by Frana Vehicles and includes 1st thru 4th dog-gears only. 5th & 6th gear reuse your stock helical gears. I suppose you can reuse your synchros for 5th & 6th to minimize cost.
The PAR unit includes all 6 gears which are straight cut.
Below is the King's dog-box; you can see they retain stock 5th & 6th gears.
The PAR unit includes all 6 gears which are straight cut.
Below is the King's dog-box; you can see they retain stock 5th & 6th gears.
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Stock synchronizers (and other gear related parts):
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...NSHAFT+%281%29
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...RSHAFT+%281%29
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...NSHAFT+%281%29
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...RSHAFT+%281%29
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Edit: looks like King's offers two configurations from different manufacturers.
PAR straight cut w/syncro $5295 (all 6 gears): http://store.kingsperformance.com/pr...t-straight-cut
Frana dog-box $5999 (1-4th gears only): http://store.kingsperformance.com/pr...g-box-gear-set
PAR dog-box $6420 (all 6 gears): http://www.ericksracing.com/HONDA-S2...2k-dog-tra.htm
PAR straight cut w/syncro $5295 (all 6 gears): http://store.kingsperformance.com/pr...t-straight-cut
Frana dog-box $5999 (1-4th gears only): http://store.kingsperformance.com/pr...g-box-gear-set
PAR dog-box $6420 (all 6 gears): http://www.ericksracing.com/HONDA-S2...2k-dog-tra.htm
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Originally Posted by herecomesboost' timestamp='1339899710' post='21787704
Stock synchronizers (and other gear related parts):
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...NSHAFT+%281%29
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...RSHAFT+%281%29
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...NSHAFT+%281%29
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...RSHAFT+%281%29
If you get the PAR straight cut gears from King's, you may need to buy the syncros if it's not included. Looks like the PAR version on King's site is a streetable version. It's not a true dog box, but straight cut gears with syncros. The PAR on Eric's site is a true dog box setup.
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getting these gears will not strengthen the case of the trans, which is exactly how mine broke mid 4th gear pull, just a heads up that could still happen