Just got retuned. From Mase to Trackforged turbo manifold
09-18-2012, 10:54 AM
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Just got retuned. From Mase to Trackforged turbo manifold
Link to my old mase dyno and setup
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/895...#entry20952158
All my dyno tuned were done by Sean Church at Church automotive testing in socal. I asked if I can run more than the 11psi of boost on 91octane and he told me this was at the safest limit. Ok so this is my 3rd turbo manifold setup. First setup from a rev hard log which was reliable but sucked for making power Drove this for 10,000miles+ with no problems(made 335whp on 91 octane). second setup was the Mase turbo manifold (395whp @11psi on 91 octane and 500whp @17psi e85 but suck because it keeped on cracking and mase has stocked all production and support for his manifold/turbo kit. Drove that for about 1,000 miles and had nothing but problems with that manifold. So I decided to give tracked forged a try and I bought their turbo manifold. Because their turbo manifold is much longer than the mase manifold I lost about 200-300rpmof spool time. I lost about 9whp on 91octane but that probable because it was much hotter this time compared to the mase dyno. I choose to not do another e85 tune because although fun its just not realistic to run e85 in Los Angeles due to the lack of e85 stations. Keep in mine the only thing that was changed was the mase manifold, mase 2.5 downpipe.tial 38mm gate. I Went to the track gorged manifold, custom full 3" downpipe and a tial 44mm MVR wastegate. I plan to drive the car everyday and only time will tell but I pray that this manifold holds up and does not break like the mase manifold. If the car is reliable and I'm able to put 10,000 miles on it I will swap out the small bb garrett 50 trim turbo for a GTX3576r.
here is the full setup
stock 2002 engine with stock headgasket, with 101,000 miles
ACT HDSS clutch stock ap1 flywheel
Injector dynamic 1000cc incectors with pnp clips
walbro 255 hp pump rewired straight from the battery
AEM series 2
aem boost gauge
aem serial gauge
aem boost control solinoid
omni 4 bar map sensor
track forged t3 turbo manifold
Garrett ball bearing 50 trim turbo. E compressor cover. t3 .63ar turbing housing
custom 3 inch down pipe
custom 3 inch exhaust made with alumized piping. no cat. 3" hks carbon ti muffler and 2 vibrant straight through resonators
cheep ebay oil cooler mounted in frount of radiator with custon -10an lines
custom garret core intercooler. core is 24x12x3.5
custon 2.5 aluminum intercooler piping routed inline pro style
custon 3" intake pipe with K&N filter
tial q 50mm bov
tial 44mm MVR wastegae.
custon open dump tube
my custom made support for the manifold
track forged 385.6whp vs mase 394.7whp both on 91 octane
boost plot of mase vs track forged manifold. Showing 200-300 lost spool time and bost peak boost at about 11psi
https://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/895...#entry20952158
All my dyno tuned were done by Sean Church at Church automotive testing in socal. I asked if I can run more than the 11psi of boost on 91octane and he told me this was at the safest limit. Ok so this is my 3rd turbo manifold setup. First setup from a rev hard log which was reliable but sucked for making power Drove this for 10,000miles+ with no problems(made 335whp on 91 octane). second setup was the Mase turbo manifold (395whp @11psi on 91 octane and 500whp @17psi e85 but suck because it keeped on cracking and mase has stocked all production and support for his manifold/turbo kit. Drove that for about 1,000 miles and had nothing but problems with that manifold. So I decided to give tracked forged a try and I bought their turbo manifold. Because their turbo manifold is much longer than the mase manifold I lost about 200-300rpmof spool time. I lost about 9whp on 91octane but that probable because it was much hotter this time compared to the mase dyno. I choose to not do another e85 tune because although fun its just not realistic to run e85 in Los Angeles due to the lack of e85 stations. Keep in mine the only thing that was changed was the mase manifold, mase 2.5 downpipe.tial 38mm gate. I Went to the track gorged manifold, custom full 3" downpipe and a tial 44mm MVR wastegate. I plan to drive the car everyday and only time will tell but I pray that this manifold holds up and does not break like the mase manifold. If the car is reliable and I'm able to put 10,000 miles on it I will swap out the small bb garrett 50 trim turbo for a GTX3576r.
here is the full setup
stock 2002 engine with stock headgasket, with 101,000 miles
ACT HDSS clutch stock ap1 flywheel
Injector dynamic 1000cc incectors with pnp clips
walbro 255 hp pump rewired straight from the battery
AEM series 2
aem boost gauge
aem serial gauge
aem boost control solinoid
omni 4 bar map sensor
track forged t3 turbo manifold
Garrett ball bearing 50 trim turbo. E compressor cover. t3 .63ar turbing housing
custom 3 inch down pipe
custom 3 inch exhaust made with alumized piping. no cat. 3" hks carbon ti muffler and 2 vibrant straight through resonators
cheep ebay oil cooler mounted in frount of radiator with custon -10an lines
custom garret core intercooler. core is 24x12x3.5
custon 2.5 aluminum intercooler piping routed inline pro style
custon 3" intake pipe with K&N filter
tial q 50mm bov
tial 44mm MVR wastegae.
custon open dump tube
my custom made support for the manifold track forged 385.6whp vs mase 394.7whp both on 91 octaneboost plot of mase vs track forged manifold. Showing 200-300 lost spool time and bost peak boost at about 11psi
09-18-2012, 11:09 AM
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my tuner Sean Church said that this was the safest limit for 91 octane and he advised me not to run more boost than this. If you look at my old dyno it made 500whp @17psi on e85. Also keep in mind that the turbo is a very small and old Garrett ball bearing 50 trim turbo.
09-18-2012, 11:25 AM
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Mase mani was made out of schedule 10, trackforged was made out of schedule 40 I highly doubt it will ever crack even if you hang some monster snail off the end of it
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09-18-2012, 02:09 PM
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My theory is the elbow into the turbine adds that little bit of restriction that is what you see here. FWIW, it solves a lot of fitment/failure issues though... without it, you end up with the Ptuning kit (turbo mounted low on side of engine)
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You had a bit of boost spike in the mase setup with the 38mm wastegate...the 44mm control's boost better and thats the difference you see from 4.5k to 6k rpms. Anyways you should be solid & reliable this time.. 