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Old 06-24-2014, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by siadam
What fuel, and what injectors do you have.

Big injectors are alot harder to idle low.

My ID2200's idle around 1000 and sit in the 11.4 range. I lean it out, and it coughs, and hiccups, drop it down, baby smooth.
On E85? If so, you should be able to get those to idle in the mid 14's. What are you changing to lean it out?
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Originally Posted by yamahaSHO
Originally Posted by siadam' timestamp='1403667465' post='23217063
What fuel, and what injectors do you have.

Big injectors are alot harder to idle low.

My ID2200's idle around 1000 and sit in the 11.4 range. I lean it out, and it coughs, and hiccups, drop it down, baby smooth.
On E85? If so, you should be able to get those to idle in the mid 14's. What are you changing to lean it out?

Yes, e85.

The fuel map where it idles.
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Most of your idle is made up with injector latency/offset/dead time. You'll have much better results playing with that constant than you will with the fuel map itself.

IPW = Injector Latency + commanded fuel.
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Originally Posted by yamahaSHO
Most of your idle is made up with injector latency/offset/dead time. You'll have much better results playing with that constant than you will with the fuel map itself.

IPW = Injector Latency + commanded fuel.

Appreciate the tip, anything particular / specific I should look into?
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im running id 850 injectors. i just replaced all the cushions today for the injectors. car is idling at 10.3-10.4 now at around 1100 rpm.
running on 93 pump.

have a aem failsafe wide band and boost gauge. the wideband is located about 1 foot away from the turbo.
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Originally Posted by surfer_crx
To determine the problem we need more information.

Was the car tuned and running fine and all of a sudden started to run rich? Or had you tuned it and then the problem with the rich idle came after that? How are you measuring your AFRs, if you have a gauge in the car why did the tuner decide to use his sniffer rather than your WBO2 (I'm assuming that you are running a wideband, if it isn't then you are almost better off guessing)?

If you do think that the injectors are leaking then take them out and get them tested.
the car was tuned and this was what i got. measuring it with a aem wideband. the tuner wanted to use what he wanted to use. called my wideband a boost gauge. >.>
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Originally Posted by henrryxd
Originally Posted by surfer_crx' timestamp='1403637243' post='23216324
To determine the problem we need more information.

Was the car tuned and running fine and all of a sudden started to run rich? Or had you tuned it and then the problem with the rich idle came after that? How are you measuring your AFRs, if you have a gauge in the car why did the tuner decide to use his sniffer rather than your WBO2 (I'm assuming that you are running a wideband, if it isn't then you are almost better off guessing)?

If you do think that the injectors are leaking then take them out and get them tested.
the car was tuned and this was what i got. measuring it with a aem wideband. the tuner wanted to use what he wanted to use. called my wideband a boost gauge. >.>
Your tuner is a dips**t, lol. Find a new one, preferrably one that has good reviews from your local S2000 community, and get it tuned again. ID's are great injectors, and the 850 should idle just like stock when tuned right. No reason why you shouldn't be at 14.7 at idle on your wideband failsafe. Do you have the AFR output feeding into your ECU so your next tuner can set up AFR feedback?
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Any solution on this?

I have the same problem.
N/A car, tuned. I do have an AEM UEGO wideband..

Tuner said that (maybe) not all cylinders get the proper fuel and this causes the afr to fluctuate at idle. So he set it to be really rich 10.5-11.5 to avoid rough idle..

What are the main causes for cylinders to not receive the same fuel?
1) bad/dirty injectors (?)
2)
3)


Any ideas?
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Originally Posted by kotsapas
Any solution on this?

I have the same problem.
N/A car, tuned. I do have an AEM UEGO wideband..

Tuner said that (maybe) not all cylinders get the proper fuel and this causes the afr to fluctuate at idle. So he set it to be really rich 10.5-11.5 to avoid rough idle..

What are the main causes for cylinders to not receive the same fuel?
1) bad/dirty injectors (?)
2)
3)


Any ideas?
easy solution, find a new tuner. that is just lazy tuning.


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