Great news for Vortech owners wanting more power!(thanks to MechaGodzilla)
10-02-2002, 11:22 AM
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Great news for Vortech owners wanting more power!(thanks to MechaGodzilla)
MechaGodzilla in an earlier post mentioned he figured out that the Vortech "black box" is made for Vortech by:
http://www.splitsec.com/
I took it the next step further and gave them a call. Spoke with a very helpful guy named Mark.
The Vortech black box is nutered in the sense that it doesn't have a map sensor and doesn't control fuel. Vortech is ONLY using it for timing. He also said he cannot sell me the software for the Vortech box alone.
He can(and will) however sell me a FTC1 which will allow me to do both fuel and timing programming AND has a map sensor built in that can read positive pressure! This unit will come with the software, and will swap out with the current black box. Using a laptop I could copy the Vortech timing programing and then start tuning fuel and timing for my setup. All for $530.
I am in the process of determing if I want to go this route(and still have the stock ECU) or double the price go with an AEM EMS and lose the imobilzer.
I am also waiting for my stock replacement 550cc injectors from RC Engineering, and a smaller pulley and belt from Vortech.
If anyone gets to these mods or uses the FTC1 with a Vortech kit before I get to it, please let me know the outcome!
http://www.splitsec.com/
I took it the next step further and gave them a call. Spoke with a very helpful guy named Mark.
The Vortech black box is nutered in the sense that it doesn't have a map sensor and doesn't control fuel. Vortech is ONLY using it for timing. He also said he cannot sell me the software for the Vortech box alone.
He can(and will) however sell me a FTC1 which will allow me to do both fuel and timing programming AND has a map sensor built in that can read positive pressure! This unit will come with the software, and will swap out with the current black box. Using a laptop I could copy the Vortech timing programing and then start tuning fuel and timing for my setup. All for $530.
I am in the process of determing if I want to go this route(and still have the stock ECU) or double the price go with an AEM EMS and lose the imobilzer.
I am also waiting for my stock replacement 550cc injectors from RC Engineering, and a smaller pulley and belt from Vortech.
If anyone gets to these mods or uses the FTC1 with a Vortech kit before I get to it, please let me know the outcome!
10-02-2002, 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by hecash
Without giving this the thought that it really deserves, why could you not use the FTC-1 to control fuel and timing and the VAFC, especially if you already have one like me, to manage only the VTEC engagement by setting all other values to zero in the VAFC except the Lo>>Hi and the Hi>>Lo engagement settings?
Does the FTC-1 have a harness like that available for the VAFC or does it require you to hack the harness?
Without giving this the thought that it really deserves, why could you not use the FTC-1 to control fuel and timing and the VAFC, especially if you already have one like me, to manage only the VTEC engagement by setting all other values to zero in the VAFC except the Lo>>Hi and the Hi>>Lo engagement settings?
Does the FTC-1 have a harness like that available for the VAFC or does it require you to hack the harness?
And there is no harness.
10-02-2002, 02:15 PM
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It would be nice if Vortech offered the FTC-1 with a baseline program as an optional upgrade for their SC kit. I wonder why they didn't use it to begin with. It probably would've had fewer problems... But maybe the stock ECU is more flexible with the fuel maps using some sort of auto learning capability. There has to be some rationale for using the black box for timing control only other than just cost cutting, or maybe not.
But I'm seriously thinking about the FTC-1. Sounds like a logical upgrade, along with injectors.
MG
But I'm seriously thinking about the FTC-1. Sounds like a logical upgrade, along with injectors.
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10-03-2002, 04:31 AM
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Originally posted by MechaGodzilla
There has to be some rationale for using the black box for timing control only other than just cost cutting, or maybe not.
There has to be some rationale for using the black box for timing control only other than just cost cutting, or maybe not.
But I can't for the life of me figure out how they expect us to run a smaller pulley without changing anything, unless the whole system is boost driven and changes according to the amount of boost it sees, but even now our injectors are maxed out and we don't have the proper amount of fuel pressure that we should(this is what I found out just by doing the math on the flow rate of the injectors and the fuel pressure I am seeing on my gauge)
10-03-2002, 09:56 AM
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Originally posted by m777erlin
Has someone asked Vortech when they make a smaller pulley, if they will replace the timing control box with another one to match boost?
Has someone asked Vortech when they make a smaller pulley, if they will replace the timing control box with another one to match boost?
I don't even know if it would come with a new sized belt!
This is a quote from Trevor:
"We would be willing to make smaller pulleys if people were interested. This would NOT be an official Vortech upgrade. It will NOT be in kit form. We are simply making a part you can buy to make MORE POWER Just a warning: if you decide to increase the boost you should add injectors, tuning and other things to make the motor safer under high boost."
Which he made in this post:
https://www.s2ki.com/forums/showthread.php?...&threadid=81341
Besides even if it did come with a new black box, you still wouldn't be able to custom tune it without the software or a VAFC, and even with that, you are limited to the amount of fuel you can add in. And you can't custom tune the timing in either case.
The software is key.