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Old 01-20-2007, 09:43 PM
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That is a HUGE loss. Hopefully you can find it again.
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Old 01-21-2007, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by John_Z,Jan 20 2007, 08:34 PM
If you still have your stock dump tube try putting that back on. If I recall correctly you never re-dyno'd with just your dump tube mod right? You modded the dump tube and switched exhausts. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You are correct. The plan from here is to put the car on the dyno, unbolt the exhaust and see what she puts down. If doing this brings back the power, and prevents the boost from cutting out, then the troubleshooting would stop there. If, however, the power does not come back and the boost is still dropping then the dumptube will be disconnected and another run on the dyno will be made.
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Old 01-21-2007, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by geists2k,Jan 20 2007, 08:10 PM
There is not a chance on this earth that I could go to a 70mm or 3" single and gain 50whp.
Do you remember the exhaust that Phil (Sideways) had made? He used bigger piping (similar to what I am looking at having made) and made over 50rwhp. He decided not to go with the exhaust because it was too loud.
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Old 01-21-2007, 07:26 AM
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[QUOTE=2QYK4U,Jan 21 2007, 10:30 AM] Do you remember the exhaust that Phil (Sideways) had made?
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Old 01-21-2007, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by geists2k,Jan 21 2007, 08:26 AM
Yeah, but this is not even close to being a fair comparison.

His boost levels weren't bouncing around and he had a restrictive dual exhaust on the car before he went to the new 3" custom.

The point is that going from a dual 70mm (2 3/4") exhaust straight off the downpipe to a 70mm single or 3" single is not going to net anybody 50whp by itself.
Doesn't the Amuse exhaust that he has have the same size exhaust piping as the Sparrow (70mm/63mm)?

The primary reason I lost 50rwhp is because I am losing 2-3 psi up top. Whether this is attributed to the exhaust or the dump tube (or both) is yet to be proven. Prior to dropping boost the horsepower numbers between the two exhausts are very similiar; it isn't until the boost starts dropping that the numbers really diverge.

BTW...aren't EVOs make big power gains by simply going to larger exhaust piping? I've heard that this is one of the biggest bangs for the buck for them.
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Old 01-21-2007, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 2QYK4U,Jan 21 2007, 11:43 AM
Doesn't the Amuse exhaust that he has have the same size exhaust piping as the Sparrow (70mm/63mm)?

The primary reason I lost 50rwhp is because I am losing 2-3 psi up top. Whether this is attributed to the exhaust or the dump tube (or both) is yet to be proven. Prior to dropping boost the horsepower numbers between the two exhausts are very similiar; it isn't until the boost starts dropping that the numbers really diverge.

BTW...aren't EVOs make big power gains by simply going to larger exhaust piping? I've heard that this is one of the biggest bangs for the buck for them.
Why not undo the dump tube mod and get your boost back to the same level before you start spending cash on a new exhaust?
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Originally Posted by geists2k,Jan 21 2007, 08:47 AM
Why not undo the dump tube mod and get your boost back to the same level before you start spending cash on a new exhaust?
We are going to check out both the exhaust and dump tube prior to going with a new exhaust. If the dump tube is the issue then it will be resolved when I go with the Full-Race turbo manifold. I am going to have Full-Race modify their down-pipe / dump tube such that the dump tube is internally venting (like mine is right now) only they will modify the piping in the correct manner.

Regardless of what is causing the power loss, at this point I still want to go with a larger exhaust to support my near-term power goals (450-500rwhp).
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Originally Posted by 2QYK4U,Jan 21 2007, 07:30 AM
Do you remember the exhaust that Phil (Sideways) had made? He used bigger piping (similar to what I am looking at having made) and made over 50rwhp. He decided not to go with the exhaust because it was too loud.
I lost 50 rwhp with the very restrictive 3-1/2 inch to 3 inch prototype. I made 18 rwhp and 10 ftlbs torque with the large catback. It's still a work in progress.
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[QUOTE=2QYK4U,Jan 21 2007, 11:56 AM] We are going to check out both the exhaust and dump tube prior to going with a new exhaust.
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i told you so
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