How much camber to achieve neutral handling with my setup?
#1
How much camber to achieve neutral handling with my setup?
Hello,
I am currently starting to try out my S2000 on tracks, but I am not happy with the car's balance. The car is understeering.
My alignment is based on a friend's experience who also has a 2005 S2000. He says that he almost never experiences any understeer, but he uses KW V3 and 225/255 Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires.
How much influence do the suspension and the tires have?
This is my current setup:
Honda S2000 AP1 (2005, European Model, 2.0l instead of 2.2l engine, but similar to 2005 AP2)
Ohlins 10k/8k, lowered approx. 25mm
Yokohama AD08R 215/245
Front:
Camber: -1.66°
Caster: 7°
Toe: 0
Rear:
Camber: -2.0°
Toe: 0.33° (20 Minutes)
My plan forward is to increase the font camber, but I don't know how much.
I don't want to increase the rear camber much further because I also use the car a lot of time on the streets.
Any recommendations? Would -2.0° be enough?
Thank you very much.
Regards from Germany,
JagoBlitz
I am currently starting to try out my S2000 on tracks, but I am not happy with the car's balance. The car is understeering.
My alignment is based on a friend's experience who also has a 2005 S2000. He says that he almost never experiences any understeer, but he uses KW V3 and 225/255 Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires.
How much influence do the suspension and the tires have?
This is my current setup:
Honda S2000 AP1 (2005, European Model, 2.0l instead of 2.2l engine, but similar to 2005 AP2)
Ohlins 10k/8k, lowered approx. 25mm
Yokohama AD08R 215/245
Front:
Camber: -1.66°
Caster: 7°
Toe: 0
Rear:
Camber: -2.0°
Toe: 0.33° (20 Minutes)
My plan forward is to increase the font camber, but I don't know how much.
I don't want to increase the rear camber much further because I also use the car a lot of time on the streets.
Any recommendations? Would -2.0° be enough?
Thank you very much.
Regards from Germany,
JagoBlitz
#2
What wheels are you using? Going up to 225 in the front would probably help a lot if possible.
You should probably try and max out the camber in the front, don't think you will get much more than -2.0° with stock parts.
You should probably try and max out the camber in the front, don't think you will get much more than -2.0° with stock parts.
#3
With the skinny 215 tires you have up front, you honestly will get the best improvement on the track running -3 to 3.5- however that wont be possible with factory adjustment at only 25mm drop so just dial in the max you can which should end up being around -2 to -2.25. Being a street car still, that's probably going to be the best compromise anyway.
#4
With the skinny 215 tires you have up front, you honestly will get the best improvement on the track running -3 to 3.5- however that wont be possible with factory adjustment at only 25mm drop so just dial in the max you can which should end up being around -2 to -2.25. Being a street car still, that's probably going to be the best compromise anyway.
What do you think has more influence on the balance?
Ohlins vs KW
or
215/245 vs 225/255
#6
You can lower the front a bit more then the rear to weight the front and get it to turn in better allowing for more possible over steer. This will also allow you to dial in more camber up front. This is called a staggered ride height, and it will effect the balance of the car.
Last edited by s2000Junky; 10-12-2018 at 10:19 AM.
#7
You aren't really effecting the balance in either case, moving to a wider stagger will improve grip overall, but its not going to effect a handling/grip balance change since you have moved the width up equally front and rear. Changing the dampers themselves will have less to do with balance then setting either option up with a favorable spring rate to the tire grip ability and damping setting. The KW's are more versatile having a separate compression and rebound adjustment though.
You can lower the front a bit more then the rear to weight the front and get it to turn in better allowing for more possible over steer. This will also allow you to dial in more camber up front. This is called a staggered ride height, and it will effect the balance of the car.
You can lower the front a bit more then the rear to weight the front and get it to turn in better allowing for more possible over steer. This will also allow you to dial in more camber up front. This is called a staggered ride height, and it will effect the balance of the car.
No or little influence?
Turn in and corner entry are no problem.
Mid corner & exit is where I get understeering.
Maybe I should check the corner weights during my next alignment - just to be sure
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#8
Yes, the same 17" OEM Wheels
Ohlins is 10k front / 8k rear and KW V3 is 9k/9k if I am not mistaken.
No or little influence?
Turn in and corner entry are no problem.
Mid corner & exit is where I get understeering.
Maybe I should check the corner weights during my next alignment - just to be sure
Ohlins is 10k front / 8k rear and KW V3 is 9k/9k if I am not mistaken.
No or little influence?
Turn in and corner entry are no problem.
Mid corner & exit is where I get understeering.
Maybe I should check the corner weights during my next alignment - just to be sure
#9
^^ he has Ohlins 100nm on 80nm rears
Guess you have more than 2mm of preload on rear ?
Guess you have more than 2mm of preload on rear ?
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