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Old 03-06-2012, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by macr88
Thanks, not really sure since there were other changes made but overall it felt better, once I figure out what to do with my fenders I'll lower the front & rear a tad more maybe an 1/8th to 1/4 lower. Aero wise I think it's better if the rear is higher than the front but that's just a guess.
Was recommended to have height around F 12.8" and R 12.6" but thats with about 900lb springs
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wow that looks great mac, the car looks very easy to handle and correct on those high speed sweepers. Do you ever heel toe/rev match? Dont you have problems locking the rear end up at those speeds just putting it into gear like that? How does she ride on the street with that spring setup that you have? Im thinking about sending out the bilsteins for a revalve but feel that a spring setup like that might be a little too much for my stock sized ap1's tires.
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Originally Posted by macr88
Thanks, not really sure since there were other changes made but overall it felt better, once I figure out what to do with my fenders I'll lower the front & rear a tad more maybe an 1/8th to 1/4 lower. Aero wise I think it's better if the rear is higher than the front but that's just a guess.
Btw, what other changes were made? Just wondering if it would have offset any ride height changes

Also wondering what was your feel that made you consider to further lower your car from this height.
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Originally Posted by c32b
Was recommended to have height around F 12.8" and R 12.6" but thats with about 900lb springs
Try it and see how you like it, I ran with the rear lower for a little while and liked it.
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Originally Posted by Carbon Blue
wow that looks great mac, the car looks very easy to handle and correct on those high speed sweepers. Do you ever heel toe/rev match? Dont you have problems locking the rear end up at those speeds just putting it into gear like that? How does she ride on the street with that spring setup that you have? Im thinking about sending out the bilsteins for a revalve but feel that a spring setup like that might be a little too much for my stock sized ap1's tires.
Thanks, I never heel toe downshifts and as long I'm not retarded with the clutch it works. You can also help corner entry on the slower turns with this, my adjustable brake bias.
The spring rate really isn't that bad and it's fairly comfy, maybe shoot for something around the 500 range, a 100 pound split will give you good ride and a 50 pound split will porpoise a tiny bit and same rate will porpoise quite a bit.
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Originally Posted by c32b
Originally Posted by macr88' timestamp='1331082825' post='21483781
Thanks, not really sure since there were other changes made but overall it felt better, once I figure out what to do with my fenders I'll lower the front & rear a tad more maybe an 1/8th to 1/4 lower. Aero wise I think it's better if the rear is higher than the front but that's just a guess.
Btw, what other changes were made? Just wondering if it would have offset any ride height changes

Also wondering what was your feel that made you consider to further lower your car from this height.
Lower cg is always better as long as you don't have any funky suspension quirks that prevent you from going low.

If you're making changes on the fly you'll be changing camber and toe. Or we're you asking me what other changes I made? I didn't make any other changes but I have done it at the track before so I did gain a bit of camber and a bit of toe.
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Originally Posted by macr88
Springs 700lb front 650lb rear
Eibach bars front and rear on the stiffer of the two holes
I think I'm 13" front 13.25 rear height center of axle to bottom of fender
camber -3° front -2.5 rear
Caster 5.5? Or somewhere around there
Toe 0 front 1/16in rear
A lot of time trial guys run 700/650lbs springs with the rake of the car about level.

I run 700/600lbs and usualy the car is a bit more raked like 1/2 higher at the rear since I didn't have enough shock travel to go low and the rear shocks would bottom out

Having more ride height on the rear I think puts more weight on the front which makes the car a bit pointier.
I never heard of anyone running the car lower at the rear than the front. I would be careful you don't set it so low you bottom out the rear shocks.

This is what it handles like when you bottom the rears the suspension loads up then snap oversteers:

http://vimeo.com/29325245
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Originally Posted by dan_uk
Originally Posted by macr88' timestamp='1330766281' post='21472341
Springs 700lb front 650lb rear
Eibach bars front and rear on the stiffer of the two holes
I think I'm 13" front 13.25 rear height center of axle to bottom of fender
camber -3° front -2.5 rear
Caster 5.5? Or somewhere around there
Toe 0 front 1/16in rear
A lot of time trial guys run 700/650lbs springs with the rake of the car about level.

I run 700/600lbs and usualy the car is a bit more raked like 1/2 higher at the rear since I didn't have enough shock travel to go low and the rear shocks would bottom out

Having more ride height on the rear I think puts more weight on the front which makes the car a bit pointier.
I never heard of anyone running the car lower at the rear than the front. I would be careful you don't set it so low you bottom out the rear shocks.

This is what it handles like when you bottom the rears the suspension loads up then snap oversteers:

http://vimeo.com/29325245
Thanks Dan.

Tein manual recommended it although I have a fairly high spring rate. Will have to trail & error I guess
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Originally Posted by c32b
Just checking how many folks run here with a slightly higher ride height front than rear and how the driving balance changed if it did at all. I was wondering how the balance would change as opposed to a same ride height
my understanding of the theory is that the side you lower gets more grip.

so - lower front end means more front greap (and less rear grip)
lower rear end - less overstear and more understear.
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