Got a front plate ticket today
05-17-2009, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Batbite,May 17 2009, 06:04 PM
Why do you always have to be such a B_oner.....you're perfect right?
A forum is a forum......which includes a place for people to vent. If you don't agree with the topic.........then you should reserve the right to shut the f....ck up. Jeeez.
A forum is a forum......which includes a place for people to vent. If you don't agree with the topic.........then you should reserve the right to shut the f....ck up. Jeeez.
05-18-2009, 09:21 AM
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Thats too bad it is a ridiculous law. 
I dont even think most stated require the front plate anymore, but they still crackdown on it in the NW. Its even stupider in Oregon since we are required to have a front plate but it doesnt need tags on the front just the rear 
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Ive been rolling with the front plate on the dash/against the windshield for about a year and a half now without issue, I consider it my happy medium. It keeps the plate visible from the front of the car (which is all that is required by oregon law) and I dont have it messing up the beautiful stock s2k front bumper
I dont even think most stated require the front plate anymore, but they still crackdown on it in the NW. Its even stupider in Oregon since we are required to have a front plate but it doesnt need tags on the front just the rear ...Ive been rolling with the front plate on the dash/against the windshield for about a year and a half now without issue, I consider it my happy medium. It keeps the plate visible from the front of the car (which is all that is required by oregon law) and I dont have it messing up the beautiful stock s2k front bumper
05-18-2009, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by EVAN&MONICA,May 18 2009, 10:21 AM
Ive been rolling with the front plate on the dash/against the windshield for about a year and a half now without issue, I consider it my happy medium. It keeps the plate visible from the front of the car (which is all that is required by oregon law) and I dont have it messing up the beautiful stock s2k front bumper
05-20-2009, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 124Spider,May 12 2009, 10:43 AM
It would be a fair assumption that any violation that occurs while the car is moving, even if not safety- or speed-related, may be treated as a moving violation.
By "fair assumption," I mean that it would be your best working assumption, not that I think it's reasonable.
By "fair assumption," I mean that it would be your best working assumption, not that I think it's reasonable.
05-20-2009, 01:48 PM
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Regardless of whether it's "actuarially sound" or not (like we need more ways for the pencil pushers to pigeon hole drivers and gouge people that fit these "models"), it is not the state's job to write out tickets in such a way to make the actuaries happy. It should be only a matter of safety, and clearly here it isn't.
05-20-2009, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by urBan_dK,May 20 2009, 01:48 PM
Regardless of whether it's "actuarially sound" or not (like we need more ways for the pencil pushers to pigeon hole drivers and gouge people that fit these "models"), it is not the state's job to write out tickets in such a way to make the actuaries happy. It should be only a matter of safety, and clearly here it isn't.
05-20-2009, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 124Spider,May 20 2009, 01:12 PM
I understand your point, but it probably is not actuarially sound.
I would be willing to bet that the insurance companies can show statistics that substantially prove that those who ignore various motor vehicle laws (whether or not clearly safety-related) are a higher risk. In particular, I suspect that that would be pretty easy to show with respect to those who don't wear a front plate, who disproportionally are young, male, driving performance cars.
I would be willing to bet that the insurance companies can show statistics that substantially prove that those who ignore various motor vehicle laws (whether or not clearly safety-related) are a higher risk. In particular, I suspect that that would be pretty easy to show with respect to those who don't wear a front plate, who disproportionally are young, male, driving performance cars.
05-20-2009, 02:37 PM
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You two are just determined to somehow find ways to bitch about the consequences, all entirely predictable, of refusing to obey a clearly-written law.
No, it is not "the state's job to write out tickets in such a way to make the actuaries happy." And that's not what they're doing. The state has a law in place, and the police are enforcing it.
Actuaries don't give a damn one way or the other; they only correlate statistics to claims. When there's a good correlation, they note it, and the insurance company likely will try to charge for it.
In this case, there almost certainly is a statistically sound correlation between those who flaunt this law and those who have a higher claims record. So it's entirely sound--mathematically and socially--that they should charge for it.
If you don't like it, a more grown-up response would be to put the damned front plate back on, or stop this childish whining.
No, it is not "the state's job to write out tickets in such a way to make the actuaries happy." And that's not what they're doing. The state has a law in place, and the police are enforcing it.
Actuaries don't give a damn one way or the other; they only correlate statistics to claims. When there's a good correlation, they note it, and the insurance company likely will try to charge for it.
In this case, there almost certainly is a statistically sound correlation between those who flaunt this law and those who have a higher claims record. So it's entirely sound--mathematically and socially--that they should charge for it.
If you don't like it, a more grown-up response would be to put the damned front plate back on, or stop this childish whining.