Official Flush/hella flush(STANCE FTW) S2 THREAD
11-24-2013, 09:27 PM
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Are you also a +30 on a 10.5 offset? I ran a 18x10.5+30 and I was almost rubbing with 225/35/18 (federals too btw) on my 18x10.5+30. I also ran about -3 degrees camber. My only concern for running a larger tire is that it rubs the inside of my bumper.
11-25-2013, 05:29 AM
I'm at +50, but I'm running 40mm wider tires (federals too) and 3* more camber than you. Trim your bumper and you wont have to worry about it. If you havent relocated tabs yet you'll need to do that. Based off the gap I'm seeing between tire and quarter, you could fill that considerably more. My 255s sit a couple mm away from the quarter and I've never had a problem with bumper or quarter.
11-25-2013, 05:44 PM
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My purpose was to avoid trimming it, once you go back to stock you can see the part that's been trimmed. Unlike being rolled, it's a bit more hidden. Although, mine is already paper thin. My point is that your 18x10.5+50 offset you should be able to run a 255/35/18, his offset is lower even at a smaller width. You would have to be at 18x10.5+36 to argue that you run a wide tire and he should run a wider tire as well.
My point: You can't argue that you run a bigger tire when your offset is much higher +24 more then his. His fitment is fine, running a wider tire will only risk ripping his bumper apart and buckling and he might have to run more negative camber. That, and I've seen people with worst stretches for no reason.
Also, if you run a larger tire, you can eventually rub away the curvature of the bumper and ruin the body lines of your car. It happened on my last car.
@bobkennedy, i ran the exact same tire size for my car. 225/35/18 federals are equivalent to 235/35/18 since they run larger. 225/40/18's too.
before my paint job.
My point: You can't argue that you run a bigger tire when your offset is much higher +24 more then his. His fitment is fine, running a wider tire will only risk ripping his bumper apart and buckling and he might have to run more negative camber. That, and I've seen people with worst stretches for no reason.
Also, if you run a larger tire, you can eventually rub away the curvature of the bumper and ruin the body lines of your car. It happened on my last car.
@bobkennedy, i ran the exact same tire size for my car. 225/35/18 federals are equivalent to 235/35/18 since they run larger. 225/40/18's too.
before my paint job.
11-25-2013, 06:29 PM
I'm not +24 more than he is but at any rate it doesnt make a difference. Looking at the space he has between quarter and tire, theres plenty of room between the two. Theres a post right above yours with the same wheel (actually wider) and offset and he's running a 20mm wider tire and switching to a 255. I've run 4* camber on this setup too and still havent rubbed quarter at all.
11-25-2013, 07:27 PM
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i don't understand, your 18x10.5+50, he's at 17x10+30. If he moved that setup to 10.5 it would be +23.6 offset. (if his rear lip is 3.5)
http://stu.taylor-net.co.uk/tools/offset <-- i used 3.5 and 6.5 give or take, looks like 3.5" in that picture he posted.
and i believe you missed the point, i had the same setup as the post above you but my point is how do you know he doesn't want to run -4 degrees camber? some people prefer more stretch over camber.
think about it, what's worst? beefy tire running on completely sidewall? or stretched but isn't riding on sidewall. (functional guys will think there both retarded) I personally went through this dilemma with my SSR setup and came to the conclusion if I ran any larger of a tire it would just eat more away into my rear bumper and ruin the body line. ( I am also on 14kg swift springs, still rubbed on hard bumps )
Also, with a bigger tire, it can prevent you from slamming the car without more negative camber. It will be harder to tuck.
I don't think he should go with a bigger tire.
He would look like this if he ran a bigger tire and same camber.
i'm just saying, people are jumping to conclusions to soon and you can't compare your setup to his it's like saying "i run 255/40/17 on my 17x9+45 setup. you should be able to run 265/40/17 on your 17x10+0 setup" it's not the same thing. disk sizes, barrel sizes, all that takes into account.
** Cliff: there isnt THAT much room left for a larger tire, you guys are exaggerating a bit. for all we know he might want to dial in more positive camber **
http://stu.taylor-net.co.uk/tools/offset <-- i used 3.5 and 6.5 give or take, looks like 3.5" in that picture he posted.
and i believe you missed the point, i had the same setup as the post above you but my point is how do you know he doesn't want to run -4 degrees camber? some people prefer more stretch over camber.
think about it, what's worst? beefy tire running on completely sidewall? or stretched but isn't riding on sidewall. (functional guys will think there both retarded) I personally went through this dilemma with my SSR setup and came to the conclusion if I ran any larger of a tire it would just eat more away into my rear bumper and ruin the body line. ( I am also on 14kg swift springs, still rubbed on hard bumps )
Also, with a bigger tire, it can prevent you from slamming the car without more negative camber. It will be harder to tuck.
I don't think he should go with a bigger tire.
He would look like this if he ran a bigger tire and same camber.
i'm just saying, people are jumping to conclusions to soon and you can't compare your setup to his it's like saying "i run 255/40/17 on my 17x9+45 setup. you should be able to run 265/40/17 on your 17x10+0 setup" it's not the same thing. disk sizes, barrel sizes, all that takes into account.
** Cliff: there isnt THAT much room left for a larger tire, you guys are exaggerating a bit. for all we know he might want to dial in more positive camber **
11-25-2013, 07:34 PM
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I'm at +50, but I'm running 40mm wider tires (federals too) and 3* more camber than you. Trim your bumper and you wont have to worry about it. If you havent relocated tabs yet you'll need to do that. Based off the gap I'm seeing between tire and quarter, you could fill that considerably more. My 255s sit a couple mm away from the quarter and I've never had a problem with bumper or quarter.
11-25-2013, 07:41 PM
i don't understand, your 18x10.5+50, he's at 17x10+30. If he moved that setup to 10.5 it would be +23.6 offset. (if his rear lip is 3.5)
http://stu.taylor-net.co.uk/tools/offset <-- i used 3.5 and 6.5 give or take, looks like 3.5" in that picture he posted.
and i believe you missed the point, i had the same setup as the post above you but my point is how do you know he doesn't want to run -4 degrees camber? some people prefer more stretch over camber.
think about it, what's worst? beefy tire running on completely sidewall? or stretched but isn't riding on sidewall. (functional guys will think there both retarded) I personally went through this dilemma with my SSR setup and came to the conclusion if I ran any larger of a tire it would just eat more away into my rear bumper and ruin the body line. ( I am also on 14kg swift springs, still rubbed on hard bumps )
Also, with a bigger tire, it can prevent you from slamming the car without more negative camber. It will be harder to tuck.
I don't think he should go with a bigger tire.
He would look like this if he ran a bigger tire and same camber.
i'm just saying, people are jumping to conclusions to soon and you can't compare your setup to his it's like saying "i run 255/40/17 on my 17x9+45 setup. you should be able to run 265/40/17 on your 17x10+0 setup" it's not the same thing. disk sizes, barrel sizes, all that takes into account.
** Cliff: there isnt THAT much room left for a larger tire, you guys are exaggerating a bit. for all we know he might want to dial in more positive camber **
http://stu.taylor-net.co.uk/tools/offset <-- i used 3.5 and 6.5 give or take, looks like 3.5" in that picture he posted.
and i believe you missed the point, i had the same setup as the post above you but my point is how do you know he doesn't want to run -4 degrees camber? some people prefer more stretch over camber.
think about it, what's worst? beefy tire running on completely sidewall? or stretched but isn't riding on sidewall. (functional guys will think there both retarded) I personally went through this dilemma with my SSR setup and came to the conclusion if I ran any larger of a tire it would just eat more away into my rear bumper and ruin the body line. ( I am also on 14kg swift springs, still rubbed on hard bumps )
Also, with a bigger tire, it can prevent you from slamming the car without more negative camber. It will be harder to tuck.
I don't think he should go with a bigger tire.
He would look like this if he ran a bigger tire and same camber.
i'm just saying, people are jumping to conclusions to soon and you can't compare your setup to his it's like saying "i run 255/40/17 on my 17x9+45 setup. you should be able to run 265/40/17 on your 17x10+0 setup" it's not the same thing. disk sizes, barrel sizes, all that takes into account.
** Cliff: there isnt THAT much room left for a larger tire, you guys are exaggerating a bit. for all we know he might want to dial in more positive camber **
11-26-2013, 06:51 AM
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FWIW... I don't think I could run any wider than the 215 235 combo without drastically modifying the lines of the car or raising it.
Im changing to 225 40 Pirelli and 265 35 pirelli but also going shine over fenders on the rear. Roads in the UK aren't great and ive had a few hairy moments in the wet. Now im going turbo ive decided a small lift, over fenders and to remove a bit of camber. sould hopefully still have a nice stance, a little stretch, just be a lot more functional for grip.
215 on a 9.5 rim just leaves a little bit more rim exposed due to the tretch than id like, im hoping the slightly taller and wider setup will get rid of most of this.
Also, My current setup rarely touched, only on a really rough pot hole that I wasn't able to avoid in time LOL!
Im changing to 225 40 Pirelli and 265 35 pirelli but also going shine over fenders on the rear. Roads in the UK aren't great and ive had a few hairy moments in the wet. Now im going turbo ive decided a small lift, over fenders and to remove a bit of camber. sould hopefully still have a nice stance, a little stretch, just be a lot more functional for grip.
215 on a 9.5 rim just leaves a little bit more rim exposed due to the tretch than id like, im hoping the slightly taller and wider setup will get rid of most of this.
Also, My current setup rarely touched, only on a really rough pot hole that I wasn't able to avoid in time LOL!