[QUOTE=adidas_man,May 12 2010, 10:12 AM] Of course there will alwayz be the drivers who blame everything under the sun, because they can't/won't own up to their mistake.

 

1. Young drivers are inexperienced

2. Young drivers typically make bad judgment calls behind the wheel (lack of experience combined with immaturity)

3. Young drivers (especially male) are far more prone to testosterone induced reckless driving to showoff or try to prove a point to someone else. When I was 18 I hit 100 mph a monthly basis, now that I'm older I never drive at excessive speeds on public roads.

 

flaming is a sign of online endearment.

 

In no way shape or form am I trying to be rude, so youngsters please don't feel that I'm deliberately attacking you but this is the problem with the younger crowd.

A) Human Nature: As a male when you hit your late teens theres a sense of establishing your manhood (not talking about that). There's a sense of invincibility, and a need to push yourself to expand your limits.

B) Depreciated value: I just recently purchased my S. An MY06 for 19.5K and a Civic Si is around 25K when comparing newer cars. Ap1's have been seen as low as the 9K area. For those who enjoy the act of driving, the numbers add up to; why the hell wouldn't you buy an S?

C) Young driver and the s2k: I have no issues seeing a youngster in an S, perhaps a bit of jealousy washes over me as I wished I owned one at that age.... but now that I've driven it for months I'm very glad I didn't. As beautiful and amazingly engineered this car is, it really is NOT the car to learn how to drive in. Even with VSA in the MY06+ the car can still be very unforgiving albeit much less so than earlier models.

D) Personal driving analogy: My feeling when driving is that there is a pure sense that it is an extension of myself. I have had a torn maniscus for nearly 4 years now, and it most definitely hampers my exercising abilities. I personally relate my s2000 directly to my knee. Even being torn I can still run, jump, jog, swim etc.. However; it only takes a minor push beyond its limits before things can go horribly wrong. For those who exercise with a non injured body they do experience fatigue, soarness, etc. but I don't think they understand the feeling of tearing it further, walking in the mall and having your knee go out on you, having it lock up completely, or shooting pain throughout your body when bent the wrong way (please note; I'm not saying a torn maniscus is the ultimate injury; and in many ways I'm blessed that it's my only physical limitation. It's just my own personal analogy). The s2000 in many ways is very similar. The car will perform fiercly but once you cross its threshold things can (most likely will) go very bad, very fast.

I can modify my suspension with coilovers just like I can modify my knee with a brace. Yes it extends the limitations, but it does NOT change the nature of the beast. The older folks are not void of getting into wrecks. How many videos can you find on youtube of semi-experienced+ s2000 drivers having horrible spin outs on the track? It can happen to the best of us. The difference seems to be they aren't "screaming in vtec in 5th" on public roads and using our almighty "50/50" weight ratio to barely escape the jaws of death, or worse.

 

 

There's your issue. You're coming from the most wildly over-moderated forum on the 'net, whose owner treats it like a cash cow. He'd rather have everyone holding hands singing kum-by-ya than have anyone LEARN anything (even if their wittle fweenings get hurt) or piss off a forum sponsor. Here, you are more free to call a spade a spade and step on a few toes when someone's being an assclown. That, and the place is so mired in groupthink that it's hard to have any dissent.


And I agree with the others, the biggest factors I see in crashes are:

-unfamiliarity with RWD
-poor rear tire condition
-poor road conditions
-poor choice of tires for conditions (ie, summer tires below 45*)
-driving like an assclown

These issues tend to afflict young, dumb, huge-driving-ego types, not older folks with a little more brains and a better-maintained car.

 

You've got to separate in your mind "break a law" and "drive like an assclown." I'll tell you yes, I brake the law pretty much every day. I go 40 in a 35. I sometimes go for that "pink" light. I accelerate too hard sometimes. But one can break the law, and not drive like an assclown. One can even drive like an assclown and not break the law; do a rough 1-2 shift at redline on cold tires on a cold road in a turn; you might be going 10 under, but that doesn't matter when you hit that guard rail.

I'm not a boy scout, and I don't expect anyone else to be. But if you are exceeding the capabilities of this car on the streets, 95% of the time you are driving like an assclown.

 

I have been on this site for many years and I can say that you're wrong.

I'm an equal opportunity flamer. I know plenty of asshat 30 year olds and they get the same treatment.

I don't drive like I did when I was 17. If I did, you'd be free to flame me.

 

This and some are actually proud of their idiot status!

Truly read the threads some of these kids literally when they wreck and walk away

 

The truth is that stupidity knows no age group, nor is it the sole province of young people. It comes in all ages. Flaming, no matter who does it is simply stupid. It proves nothing except the stupidity of the flamer.

That said, there is also an awful lot to be said for experience. Just by virtue of the fact that those of us in the Vintage age group have been around longer means that we've had more time to accumulate more experience. We're not any smarter, or better drivers, just a bit more experienced. Experience is not an end all, certainly good sense and skill are required too, but experience is an advantage.

As often as older people tend to be impatient with younger people's enthusiasm and exuberance, younger people tend to reject the value of the experience of older people and think that they know better.

This clash has been going on for as long as there have been older and younger people, its nothing new. 42 years ago, when I got my license, I too thought I knew everything. Over the years I've come to see that I didn't and still don't.

My point is that the flaming goes both ways, and I think that there is as much intolerance by young people for older people as there is in the other direction.

We'd all benefit if we'd listen a bit more and learn from each other.