You and Cops
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Nahhh don't get any papers or anything ready for the officer. If he wants them then he will ask. I have been pulled over 7 times and 3 of them I didn't get asked for anything, he just tested my tint and told me to change it to legal tint. Also, to the OP; there are some of us that carry concealed legally and when an officer asks for license I always give him my permit as well. Sometimes they don't say anything about it and sometimes they ask if I have a weapon on me.
Sometimes mentioning a CCW even if you are NOT carrying can be helpful as the police then know you have been vetted and are a "good guy".
#22
Every time I have been pulled over I leave my hands on the top of the steering wheel wait for the cop to talk then say what needs to be said nothing more. Each time knock on wood I have gotten a warning. I feel the more polite you are the better your chances of going home without a ticket. Cops have familys and they are just doing there job yes some can be in a bad mood and this makes things harder. All you have to do is show them respect and they will do the same to you
#23
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My last stop was 85 in a 55, radar, 2 a.m. Pulled over before lights went on, hands on wheel, window down, interior lights on. Polite. Got a warning. Said Thank You.
#24
Interior light on is a good one, as is turning off the car and putting the keys on the dash. The police don't know who they are pulling over, and the more you can do to lessen the potential threat level is often a good idea. I have limo tint on my sedan so I have rolled the back window down too so they can see easily in the car and see there's nothing to hide or be concerned with. I have friends "on the job" and they recommend these steps to me as well. Even if they are in the wrong, treating them with respect doesn't mean you agree with them, but it will make your experience a bit smoother.
#25
Personally, I can't see that introducing a discussion of weapons --legal or otherwise-- which aren't even present is terribly useful. Best to just be quiet and deal only with what the officer has pulled you over for at that time. Besides, he isn't just going to assume you are telling the truth.
As we know, people with driver's licenses don't always know how to drive. And people with permits to own guns (concealed or otherwise) aren't always "good" guys/gals.
#26
Any day when you talk to a cop is a bad day. Avoid police at all costs, short of actually running from them. I've known good people whose lives were wrecked for years because of encounters with cops. They're among the most dangerous people out there.
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Originally Posted by cosmomiller' timestamp='1371845416' post='22623489
Sometimes mentioning a CCW even if you are NOT carrying can be helpful as the police then know you have been vetted and are a "good guy".
Personally, I can't see that introducing a discussion of weapons --legal or otherwise-- which aren't even present is terribly useful. Best to just be quiet and deal only with what the officer has pulled you over for at that time. Besides, he isn't just going to assume you are telling the truth.
As we know, people with driver's licenses don't always know how to drive. And people with permits to own guns (concealed or otherwise) aren't always "good" guys/gals.
It means you are familiar with firearms and have more than a passing knowledge of them.
It means you are aware of CCW laws and are far more inclined to be telling the truth concerning weapons.
In addition, the fact you have a CCW means you do not have any disqualifying points in your history such as felonies, history of offenses, mental problems, etc.
In summary, that means you are not likely to be a lying ex con nut case who hates cops and happens to be armed.
Individuals with a CCW commit crimes at a rate lower than active police officers.
#28
My last speeding ticket- I think this is the way it should be done.
If possible, pull into a parking lot rather than stop on the street. Get out of your car. This shows the officer that you are not intoxicated. It also shows you have nothing in your hands. Had you stayed in your car, the officer would have probably asked you to step out anyway. Wait until the officer asks for licence and papers before reaching in your pocket. These few seconds after the stop allows the officer to form some hopfully positive opinions of you. The best outcome of these positive opinions could be a warning or in my case a ticket written for much less than you trully deserved.
If possible, pull into a parking lot rather than stop on the street. Get out of your car. This shows the officer that you are not intoxicated. It also shows you have nothing in your hands. Had you stayed in your car, the officer would have probably asked you to step out anyway. Wait until the officer asks for licence and papers before reaching in your pocket. These few seconds after the stop allows the officer to form some hopfully positive opinions of you. The best outcome of these positive opinions could be a warning or in my case a ticket written for much less than you trully deserved.
#29
Well, it's definitely not a circumstance you want to seek out, that's for sure.
That sounds a bit like a leap to me. The approval process to obtain a concealed carry permit isn't the same in all states. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that having a CCW proves anything.
Personally, I can't see that introducing a discussion of weapons --legal or otherwise-- which aren't even present is terribly useful. Best to just be quiet and deal only with what the officer has pulled you over for at that time. Besides, he isn't just going to assume you are telling the truth.
As we know, people with driver's licenses don't always know how to drive. And people with permits to own guns (concealed or otherwise) aren't always "good" guys/gals.
If the cops asks if you have any weapons and you respond with " Although I have a CCW I am not armed (or transporting, etc)" that does tell them a number of things.
It means you are familiar with firearms and have more than a passing knowledge of them.
It means you are aware of CCW laws and are far more inclined to be telling the truth concerning weapons.
In addition, the fact you have a CCW means you do not have any disqualifying points in your history such as felonies, history of offenses, mental problems, etc.
In summary, that means you are not likely to be a lying ex con nut case who hates cops and happens to be armed.
Individuals with a CCW commit crimes at a rate lower than active police officers.
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I think you previously stated that you don't bring up the topic of the CCW unless the cop asks you, and that mentioning a weapon frequently triggers an automatic response from the LE which may not be beneficial to the situation. So, you basically are agreeing with what I said which is that there is no benefit to *introducing* the discussion of weapons without being asked.
As far as saying the CCW is less likely to be a bad guy (I'm paraphrasing), well, much like cops, I don't care about the statistics. Just like cops assume that all people they pull over and approach could be murderers and thugs (and they treat them accordingly with extreme caution), I assume that regardless of whatever piece of paper someone has been given, they could be bad or good either way. And, like any cop would say, I wouldn't let my guard down with them just because some piece of paper with the government's approval for them to carry a weapon is residing warmly against their butt-cheek encased in leather. For all I know it just means they know enough to be dangerous.
Originally Posted by RMurphy' timestamp='1371865101' post='22624044
[quote name='cosmomiller' timestamp='1371845416' post='22623489']
Sometimes mentioning a CCW even if you are NOT carrying can be helpful as the police then know you have been vetted and are a "good guy".
Sometimes mentioning a CCW even if you are NOT carrying can be helpful as the police then know you have been vetted and are a "good guy".
Personally, I can't see that introducing a discussion of weapons --legal or otherwise-- which aren't even present is terribly useful. Best to just be quiet and deal only with what the officer has pulled you over for at that time. Besides, he isn't just going to assume you are telling the truth.
As we know, people with driver's licenses don't always know how to drive. And people with permits to own guns (concealed or otherwise) aren't always "good" guys/gals.
It means you are familiar with firearms and have more than a passing knowledge of them.
It means you are aware of CCW laws and are far more inclined to be telling the truth concerning weapons.
In addition, the fact you have a CCW means you do not have any disqualifying points in your history such as felonies, history of offenses, mental problems, etc.
In summary, that means you are not likely to be a lying ex con nut case who hates cops and happens to be armed.
Individuals with a CCW commit crimes at a rate lower than active police officers.
[/quote]
I think you previously stated that you don't bring up the topic of the CCW unless the cop asks you, and that mentioning a weapon frequently triggers an automatic response from the LE which may not be beneficial to the situation. So, you basically are agreeing with what I said which is that there is no benefit to *introducing* the discussion of weapons without being asked.
As far as saying the CCW is less likely to be a bad guy (I'm paraphrasing), well, much like cops, I don't care about the statistics. Just like cops assume that all people they pull over and approach could be murderers and thugs (and they treat them accordingly with extreme caution), I assume that regardless of whatever piece of paper someone has been given, they could be bad or good either way. And, like any cop would say, I wouldn't let my guard down with them just because some piece of paper with the government's approval for them to carry a weapon is residing warmly against their butt-cheek encased in leather. For all I know it just means they know enough to be dangerous.
#30
One of my favorite videos about why it is *never* in your best interest to speak to the police. It's a long video, but well worth it (it's both informative *and* entertaining too). Probably take as long to watch as to read other poster's comments, but your eyes won't hurt as much. :-D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc