I didn't say that you said they are right. I asked you if you think it is right. Do you? Is it ever right to intentionally kill unarmed innocent civilians? This should be a pretty simple question to answer.

I described to you the actions (ie. killing innocent unarmed men, women, children, and babies) that have led most people to view the bombers as simply crazy murderers. To this you said "I see them as desperate people in desperate times." You've taken exception to the term "crazy murderers" to describe the bombers and called them "desperate" instead. We all know that there is no justification for murder, but by saying that they're desperate, it paints a picture of them having no choice in their actions because their situation has left them without options. If all you need to be is "desperate" in order to kill innocent unarmed people, including babies, then that sets a pretty low bar which many people throughout the world can meet. To this extent, what you said justifies murder, even of a baby. If that's not what you meant, then OK. I'd also agree that the bombers are desperate. But to call their actions anything less than plain old murder is to deny the humanity of the victims.

 

and then....

How do you make any sense? You support a military that does this kind of stuff on a daily basis.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sheister
[B]
I didn't say that you said they are right.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ace10
[B]the interesting thing with this thread is how (for the most part) posters who live outside the US or on the left coast are bleeding their hearts out over this situation.

it's not the first, nor is it the last time this will happen.

terrorist search or drug search, or a terror seach disguised as a drug search... it makes no difference to me.

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by honda606
[B]How do you make any sense?

 

You must have somehow overlooked Vietnam. Now what were you saying?

 

[QUOTE]Originally posted by honda606
[B]

 

you have CNNitis

your use of the word Militant to describe people who are fighting occupation
is total hogwash.
As far as the freedom fighters shooting at the occupiers, and you saying they are hiding
amongst civilians...where are they supposed to go..they have no military, no military base,
its all civilian area.

your rationalising for a genocide of a whole people.

lets not get into the UN resolutions that go unenforced against isreal

you my friend are a true brainwashed WASP.

funny how things have shifted from Occupation to the isreali's are fighting terrorism.
the only place on the planet that is ignorant to this fact is here in america.

dont spew what you've seen on tv as facts here


dont say my one sided preceptions either. these are all facts that are pushed to the
backburner for reasons our govt. wont divulge.

if you read your posts it sure sounds one sided to me

state facts not the 6 o'clock news.

its still an occupation. They have legal right to fight the occupation. Occupiers cant build
settlements on occupied lands. geneva convention gives the people of the occupation
all the rights to fight the occupation whereas isreal is in the wrong but according to you
they are in the right. this is how misinformed most people are about the occupation.

lets not get into a debate about what you believe to be true, when in fact its just brainwashing.

why dont we call them Freedom Fighters instead of militants?

dont want to get into the history of the conflict on this site, do some research, read some history books
before you label a whole people. And please get your facts right.

did the egg or the chicken come first?

s2kwhite sorry for destroying your thread. Your bad experience is nothing more than the government
keeping the masses in check so they can have cart blanche on destroying our
civil liberties. instill fear in the masses and you can heard them like cattle.

 

Sheister...in regards to "history" three decades is NOTHING.

You want recent examples? Try Columbia, Guatemala, Venezuela, and Nigeria.
Oh yeah...how could we forget Iraq? Then again you didn't see any coverage of it on CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN or any one of your other establishment media sources so therefore it must not have ever happened. Out of sight, out of mind. Right?

But they provide true, in-depth, up to the minute honest reporting.
The Hegelian Dialectic at its finest. Just like when Nero burned Rome and blamed it on the Christians so that everyone would hate them and stand behind Nero's mission to eradicate them. Same thing with Hitler when he ordered his own soldiers to burn the Reichstag and then he blamed it on the Jews so he could start WWII. Government sponsored terrorism against its own people. It's nothing new. Simply a shame that others can't either see it or stomach it. They live in their own little bubble, which is enforced on a daily basis by their CNN watching, and go about their trivial little lives ignorant to what is going on around them because it's not happening directly at that moment to them. All the signs clearly point at our own federal government being involved with, and coordinating, the attack on the WTC on 9/11 but no one wants to believe that our government, let alone any human being, is capable of that level of evil. I find it simply amazing the level of trust most ignorant people have for their federal government these days. All you have to ask yourself is "WHO STANDS TO GAIN FROM 9/11" and you will have your answer. No one wants to research this though because they are lazy sheep having all their so-called "information" passed on to them by the government controlled media sources.

Damn I love this country.

 

A day in my life.

So the other day I crossed the border without any hassles. I had to answer some questions, but they still let me go home and I wasn't shot. I was luck, I guess. Then I decided to buy a gun, worship the God of my choice, Tell all Polititions to F..K OFF, watch some porn, start a business, spend my money how I choose, and stick my hand out and ask countless people to pay for thing I didn't earn! Finally I went and VOTED.

After doing these things, I thought what the hell...I think I'll move to one of those other countries I always here people talking about... You know, the ones with the better opportunities. I almost started packing, but then I thought better.

After pondering on this for a few, I though lets watch some TV and low and behold there is a "CRISIS IN THE MIDDLE EAST". When did this start, I though.

The Jews and the Arabs (pick nation of choose) have been fighting since the dawn of time. I'm sure one of them is right, but I wasn't there when it started so I'm not to qualified to choose sides. My opionion is: THEY SHOULD BOTH STOP FIGHTING AND GET ALONG. Although I'm sure it's been tried before, but to no avail.

By this time it was 9:00 pm the sun was down and so was the top on the S2000. I went for a drive and all was good.