Talked to a Cop
12-28-2001 | 08:19 AM
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From: West Mids.
Bob.
You're really not getting this.
It's no part of a policeman's job to think about the legitimacy of the laws he enforces. He is sworn to enforce them without fear or favour. For minor traffic infringements depending on the policy of his force, he will have discretion in some cases whether to caution or advise. The day a policeman chooses what laws he does and does not choose to enforce you've got a police state!! No-one is suggesting that police officers should be superhuman beings apart from you. Where do you suggest we recruit these extraordinary people from? I do agree that it should be one of the hardest jobs to acquire. To attract that sort of person is not easy. The harsh fact is that when recruiting falls below acceptable levels the required standard will invariably be dropped.
You're really not getting this.
It's no part of a policeman's job to think about the legitimacy of the laws he enforces. He is sworn to enforce them without fear or favour. For minor traffic infringements depending on the policy of his force, he will have discretion in some cases whether to caution or advise. The day a policeman chooses what laws he does and does not choose to enforce you've got a police state!! No-one is suggesting that police officers should be superhuman beings apart from you. Where do you suggest we recruit these extraordinary people from? I do agree that it should be one of the hardest jobs to acquire. To attract that sort of person is not easy. The harsh fact is that when recruiting falls below acceptable levels the required standard will invariably be dropped.
12-28-2001 | 11:14 AM
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From: Glendale/Burbank/LA
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ltweintz
[B]
Bobatimez,
If you feel so strongly about what you are saying, why don't you use the system to make changes, become a polititian or something.
[B]
Bobatimez,
If you feel so strongly about what you are saying, why don't you use the system to make changes, become a polititian or something.
12-28-2001 | 02:14 PM
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From: The BadLands
Originally posted by Mindcore
All I know is I ripped the tag off my matress, I live in fear everyday...It wasn't worth the risk
All I know is I ripped the tag off my matress, I live in fear everyday...It wasn't worth the risk
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you buddy! Sorry I missed you before Christmas.
12-28-2001 | 04:36 PM
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From: Los Angeles, Miami
Damn, I can't believe that this thread is still going on...
bobatimez, in your original post, many moons ago, you had a somewhat valid point to make. But as this thread is progressing, your hatred and anger towards authority figures, especially cops, seems to be intensifying. You have now turned that hatred and anger towards other board members that may represent that authoritative establishment, such as JRM. The term "CHEERS" is a term of greeting and warm wishes among friends. There is NOTHING negative or sacastic, when the term is being used. Don't let your hate for cops run away from you.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bobatimez
[B]the root of what im getting at is police being people who just enforce laws without thinking about their legitimacy.
bobatimez, in your original post, many moons ago, you had a somewhat valid point to make. But as this thread is progressing, your hatred and anger towards authority figures, especially cops, seems to be intensifying. You have now turned that hatred and anger towards other board members that may represent that authoritative establishment, such as JRM. The term "CHEERS" is a term of greeting and warm wishes among friends. There is NOTHING negative or sacastic, when the term is being used. Don't let your hate for cops run away from you.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bobatimez
[B]the root of what im getting at is police being people who just enforce laws without thinking about their legitimacy.
12-28-2001 | 04:49 PM
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From: encino
JRM, if there were more officers with your kinda patience and understanding im sure we would all be in a much better state. I take it though that you may be a bit older than the some of us, us being myself and BOB (in our mid 20's) hence your maturity level and level headedness.
BOB, if its anything to you, i can understand where you are coming from to an extent. I have had many aquaintances that have many negative encounters with the police. From what i have noticed from almost 90% of them, was the way they reacted after being pulled over. Big mouth, arrogant and what not. I am in no way implying anything by saying this. I am not saying that you were rude or an ass in anyway. i have just noticed that your initial response has a major impact on the direction of a situation. But your a psych major so you already know this.
Unfortunately, we do not live in a perfect society where there are many inconsistencies everwhere you look. Some, we have to deal with, some we must fight.
BOB, if its anything to you, i can understand where you are coming from to an extent. I have had many aquaintances that have many negative encounters with the police. From what i have noticed from almost 90% of them, was the way they reacted after being pulled over. Big mouth, arrogant and what not. I am in no way implying anything by saying this. I am not saying that you were rude or an ass in anyway. i have just noticed that your initial response has a major impact on the direction of a situation. But your a psych major so you already know this.
Unfortunately, we do not live in a perfect society where there are many inconsistencies everwhere you look. Some, we have to deal with, some we must fight.
12-29-2001 | 03:27 AM
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than they have won. thank you all.
be levelheaded and mature about everything saying that we, the people have the power to change things. if i had cop power, i'd be levelheaded too. you all seem to have forgotten that the average citizen in this nation does not know the first thing about the law. they simply are acting like animals. they know that if they do this certain thing, they will have to lose some money. its fear, not intelligent consensus. look at your TV news once in awhile. who do you see as being in control? the minority hispanic, black or asian or maybe none. maybe its a member of the elitist class who has no idea what it's like for his/her constituents. ask anyone who our government rep is. u wanna bet they will know? the point is that i am angry at you guys for opting to side with what is supposed to work on paper, but is nothing but a form of anarchy and police state in reality. maybe i have seen more injustices than you have being in LA and all. you do realize that a young man was recently released because somehow they figured out that the cop who put him behind bars planted evidence. how do you even begin to excuse that? if that one case was reported, how many cases are going unreported.
am i suggesting that super humans are bred to be policemen. might be a start. everyone of you have admitted that police are normal people. that is why they should not have the power to hurt other normal people.
Maybe you all need to go through what that poor member in Irvine went through. the cop pushed him against his car and knocked out his food. he was just sitting and eating. i don't even know why i waste energy explaining what has been proven evident. did they or did they not convict many "honorable" officers for brutality? what else do you need to see? at least it might be honorable if some of you guys would just admit it that your parents told you that the police were good men and you were brought up to believe them to be good men and that you don't want to through away this nice image in your head. you know that if i am even right in the slightest, it means we all should be scared pulling out of our driveways and driving to work.
so what if i can't keep a level head. im not here to impress you. i just turned 20. how the hell did you talk when you were 20? the sadest part here is that if you read through all the replies, each point of my argument has been restated and confirmed piece by piece from different members. you guys tell me that i am now the problem... REMEMBER THAT YOU SAID THAT WHEN YOUR TURN COMES and that highbeam is in your face.
can anyone properly critisize my argument? i would really like to be disproven. JRM, you're funny. i know your Cheers means something nice. that's why it's ironic. you come in, slap around some to protect and to serve dogma, call young people like me naive and than say cheers. look, if you just don't want to admit that you have been a drone to a mindless non sequitor for a government as your career, just say so. ill stop. we all know our government is full of it, filled with person interest groups. the common scitizen only has rights because the money and labor we provide allows the economy to flow and allows cash to go into powerful men's pockets. you really think anyone high up gives a damn about the common citizen...
be levelheaded and mature about everything saying that we, the people have the power to change things. if i had cop power, i'd be levelheaded too. you all seem to have forgotten that the average citizen in this nation does not know the first thing about the law. they simply are acting like animals. they know that if they do this certain thing, they will have to lose some money. its fear, not intelligent consensus. look at your TV news once in awhile. who do you see as being in control? the minority hispanic, black or asian or maybe none. maybe its a member of the elitist class who has no idea what it's like for his/her constituents. ask anyone who our government rep is. u wanna bet they will know? the point is that i am angry at you guys for opting to side with what is supposed to work on paper, but is nothing but a form of anarchy and police state in reality. maybe i have seen more injustices than you have being in LA and all. you do realize that a young man was recently released because somehow they figured out that the cop who put him behind bars planted evidence. how do you even begin to excuse that? if that one case was reported, how many cases are going unreported.
am i suggesting that super humans are bred to be policemen. might be a start. everyone of you have admitted that police are normal people. that is why they should not have the power to hurt other normal people.
Maybe you all need to go through what that poor member in Irvine went through. the cop pushed him against his car and knocked out his food. he was just sitting and eating. i don't even know why i waste energy explaining what has been proven evident. did they or did they not convict many "honorable" officers for brutality? what else do you need to see? at least it might be honorable if some of you guys would just admit it that your parents told you that the police were good men and you were brought up to believe them to be good men and that you don't want to through away this nice image in your head. you know that if i am even right in the slightest, it means we all should be scared pulling out of our driveways and driving to work.
so what if i can't keep a level head. im not here to impress you. i just turned 20. how the hell did you talk when you were 20? the sadest part here is that if you read through all the replies, each point of my argument has been restated and confirmed piece by piece from different members. you guys tell me that i am now the problem... REMEMBER THAT YOU SAID THAT WHEN YOUR TURN COMES and that highbeam is in your face.
can anyone properly critisize my argument? i would really like to be disproven. JRM, you're funny. i know your Cheers means something nice. that's why it's ironic. you come in, slap around some to protect and to serve dogma, call young people like me naive and than say cheers. look, if you just don't want to admit that you have been a drone to a mindless non sequitor for a government as your career, just say so. ill stop. we all know our government is full of it, filled with person interest groups. the common scitizen only has rights because the money and labor we provide allows the economy to flow and allows cash to go into powerful men's pockets. you really think anyone high up gives a damn about the common citizen...
12-29-2001 | 05:19 AM
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I followed this for a while...and I would like to add my 'experience' with my local cops... I am 'on call' for the OB department of a hospital 24/7 (anesthesia). Three years ago on a Saturday after Thanksgiving our 'city' had their annual Christmas parade. The major (six lane) road I always 'travel' to get to the hospital was the site of the parade. However it was supposed to remain open traveling eastbound - the direction I go. Of course I got an emergency call, and headed out along my usual route. The traffic was NOT moving east - instead the local cops had let it turn into a major parking lot to 'watch' the parade. I managed to get to an intersection where the 'parade' was turning right onto a side street - there were no pedestrians in the area, and I pulled over into a left turn lane and 'asked' one of the local cops if I could make a u-turn in order to get back to an alternate route. (after yelling loudly over the sirens from the parade to explain the situation) It would have required the cop to move a baricade approximately two feet for less than 30 seconds. He stood on a median and behind my left side the entire time. He refused and told me to 'get back into the traffic and wait'. Not happy, but I did. It took me two hours to get to the hospital. Thank you very much officer - only wish it had been your wife. Later that day, I called to complain and ask what could be done should a similar situation ever arise again. This resulted in a 'visit' to my wife (I was not home) the following day - Sunday, from a sargeant and two officers, informing her that they were doing an investigation of the incident...and it might end up with MY BEING CHARGED WITH A MISDEMEANOR - FAILURE TO OBEY AN OFFICER. I did as told, so where this was coming from I have NO idea. The following Tuesday night at about 9pm the local police department called my home, told us to put away our dogs and go to the door. This we did. At that time six officers came in, shoved a warrant for my arrest in my face....told me to remove my watch and wedding ring and they were taking me to jail. They followed me to the bathroom (had to pee...) and handcuffed me and placed me in the back seat.
We have attorneys for everything known to man...but not for criminal charges. My wife called one of the execs at the hospital to make sure the hospital was 'covered'...and then found an attorney and bailsbondsman. I was charged with 5 FELONIES - INCLUDING THREATENING THE LIFE OF AN OFFICER, RESISTING ARREST????? He claimed I tried to run him over. I spent the night in jail (they knew this timing would result in a night in jail... as I later learned) It took one year and $20,000. to resolve this mess. In the end when my attorneys deposed the 'police cadet witness' this officer had used to get the warrant from the judge- the cadet's testimony was nothing like what she had replied at the time officer #$@**& went for the warrant. (remember, this is a high school kid who hopes to be a cop...great officer to train her, right??) Also this 'officer' had been on the force for 13years...no commendations, no promotions, etc... In the end the charges were reduced to two 'misdemeanors' and one was nolle processed the other something else (forget the term) but it meant it was like it never happened. The city knew I was going to sue BIG TIME... I know several of our councilmen and mayor... so I feel this is why the plea bargain. I would have loved to go to trial, but I was advised not to. Also - officer #$%***% made a condition to allowing the plea bargain- I would make a major contribution (in his name) to a police society.... isn't this blackmail???? If I had told officer %$##* that I wanted to impose any conditions for not making more trouble for him, I'm sure he would have arrested me again...and charged me with who knows what. I have noticed almost every person 'charged' in this city with anything includes assaulting the officer and resisting arrest. Do I like or trust any cops anymore?? NO, NO, NO. I don't think anyone would with this experience. This is just an example of how a cop can screw you to the wall IF you have the 'nerve' to call and complain about anything. I would strongly advise against it.
John N
We have attorneys for everything known to man...but not for criminal charges. My wife called one of the execs at the hospital to make sure the hospital was 'covered'...and then found an attorney and bailsbondsman. I was charged with 5 FELONIES - INCLUDING THREATENING THE LIFE OF AN OFFICER, RESISTING ARREST????? He claimed I tried to run him over. I spent the night in jail (they knew this timing would result in a night in jail... as I later learned) It took one year and $20,000. to resolve this mess. In the end when my attorneys deposed the 'police cadet witness' this officer had used to get the warrant from the judge- the cadet's testimony was nothing like what she had replied at the time officer #$@**& went for the warrant. (remember, this is a high school kid who hopes to be a cop...great officer to train her, right??) Also this 'officer' had been on the force for 13years...no commendations, no promotions, etc... In the end the charges were reduced to two 'misdemeanors' and one was nolle processed the other something else (forget the term) but it meant it was like it never happened. The city knew I was going to sue BIG TIME... I know several of our councilmen and mayor... so I feel this is why the plea bargain. I would have loved to go to trial, but I was advised not to. Also - officer #$%***% made a condition to allowing the plea bargain- I would make a major contribution (in his name) to a police society.... isn't this blackmail???? If I had told officer %$##* that I wanted to impose any conditions for not making more trouble for him, I'm sure he would have arrested me again...and charged me with who knows what. I have noticed almost every person 'charged' in this city with anything includes assaulting the officer and resisting arrest. Do I like or trust any cops anymore?? NO, NO, NO. I don't think anyone would with this experience. This is just an example of how a cop can screw you to the wall IF you have the 'nerve' to call and complain about anything. I would strongly advise against it.
John N