Talked to a Cop
12-26-2001 | 03:05 PM
#102
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From: Glendale/Burbank/LA
Originally posted by Cedric Tomkinson
What an amazing statement! Any other 'Bullshit' laws you don't mind breaking Steve? You wouldn't get very far in the U.K. without being stopped if you chose to drive without a front plate. You'd find very few people either who would consider their freedoms endangered as a result. It's not difficult to imagine plenty of instances where the lack of a front plate could prevent for example, a hit and run driver being apprehended if the only view witnesses had was of the front plate. They are required for very good reasons. Those reasons should be fairly obvious I would think to anyone who approaches driving a motor vehicle on public roads with a responsible attitude. If you disagree with the law, you live in a democracy where you can lobby your representatives to do something about it. Many people historically have taken that route and changed the law drastically. You simply can't be bothered! Not very impressive, especially when that is basically what this whole thread is about. A load of vitriol aimed at police officers generally because they do their job and enforce a law that you don't agree with. That's not democracy Steve, that's anarchy.
What an amazing statement! Any other 'Bullshit' laws you don't mind breaking Steve? You wouldn't get very far in the U.K. without being stopped if you chose to drive without a front plate. You'd find very few people either who would consider their freedoms endangered as a result. It's not difficult to imagine plenty of instances where the lack of a front plate could prevent for example, a hit and run driver being apprehended if the only view witnesses had was of the front plate. They are required for very good reasons. Those reasons should be fairly obvious I would think to anyone who approaches driving a motor vehicle on public roads with a responsible attitude. If you disagree with the law, you live in a democracy where you can lobby your representatives to do something about it. Many people historically have taken that route and changed the law drastically. You simply can't be bothered! Not very impressive, especially when that is basically what this whole thread is about. A load of vitriol aimed at police officers generally because they do their job and enforce a law that you don't agree with. That's not democracy Steve, that's anarchy.
I thought about this in the shower and had second thoughts about some of what I said. I will definitely be looking into this "lobbying my representatives" thing (but not for the front license plate thing).
12-27-2001 | 11:00 AM
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From: The BadLands
Steve,
I'm not in charge of anything! We as citizens have all the power, rather we recognize it or not. There is an orderly fashion for changing laws or ordanances. Have you exercised this right to it's fullest potential? If you haven't and if you are in disagreement with it then I suggest that you look into dealing with it in an orderly law abiding fashion. I'm not picking on you just stating an obvious fact. When you intentionally with malious break the laws that we have adopted and live by, then you are subject to punishment under those laws. It's that simple. If you have adopted the belief that not displaying your license plate because and you don't believe it's a necessary practice, then you are in violation of the established law. This action brings you under the jursdiction of that law. If you are in compliance then your above it and not subject to it's jursdiction.
I emplor you to take another route in your defiance. This route will only cause you personal loss in the long run. No one will care or feel sympathy for you. Post a sign near your plate saying it's BS, put one on your back window and drive around the State building but please put your license plate on.
Steve, if you get a ticket for not displaying a license plate IAW the established law who is it going to hurt? If you continue blatantly, after the ticket and lose your driving privilages who loses? Will anyone here stand in your place and except the punishment for you? There are ways to fight and win, and there are ways to fight and die! If you place yourself in a precarious position of losing your license, then the only thing you'll be fighting for will be the privilage of keeping your license. You won't care a damn bit about if you had a plate on or not. You will look back and regret that you didn't comply though.
Don't make yourself subject to the jurisdiction of the law, use it for the betterment of yourself and others. Do you understand? This isn't about being right or wrong this is about knowing what is right despite how you feel personally inside. In this I also sympathsis. It can be tough sometimes and a counterdiction in things that we believe are right inside. Your individual perception of the issue is a key player in all of this. I wish sometimes that people would take the time to see things in a different light or perspective. It can surely make life alot easier.
Cheers and Happy New Year
Jeff
I'm not in charge of anything! We as citizens have all the power, rather we recognize it or not. There is an orderly fashion for changing laws or ordanances. Have you exercised this right to it's fullest potential? If you haven't and if you are in disagreement with it then I suggest that you look into dealing with it in an orderly law abiding fashion. I'm not picking on you just stating an obvious fact. When you intentionally with malious break the laws that we have adopted and live by, then you are subject to punishment under those laws. It's that simple. If you have adopted the belief that not displaying your license plate because and you don't believe it's a necessary practice, then you are in violation of the established law. This action brings you under the jursdiction of that law. If you are in compliance then your above it and not subject to it's jursdiction.
I emplor you to take another route in your defiance. This route will only cause you personal loss in the long run. No one will care or feel sympathy for you. Post a sign near your plate saying it's BS, put one on your back window and drive around the State building but please put your license plate on.
Steve, if you get a ticket for not displaying a license plate IAW the established law who is it going to hurt? If you continue blatantly, after the ticket and lose your driving privilages who loses? Will anyone here stand in your place and except the punishment for you? There are ways to fight and win, and there are ways to fight and die! If you place yourself in a precarious position of losing your license, then the only thing you'll be fighting for will be the privilage of keeping your license. You won't care a damn bit about if you had a plate on or not. You will look back and regret that you didn't comply though.
Don't make yourself subject to the jurisdiction of the law, use it for the betterment of yourself and others. Do you understand? This isn't about being right or wrong this is about knowing what is right despite how you feel personally inside. In this I also sympathsis. It can be tough sometimes and a counterdiction in things that we believe are right inside. Your individual perception of the issue is a key player in all of this. I wish sometimes that people would take the time to see things in a different light or perspective. It can surely make life alot easier.
Cheers and Happy New Year
Jeff
12-27-2001 | 11:14 AM
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From: The BadLands
Nope, I got this thing called God and charity, and it tends to keep me pretty humble at times. I 'm really happy for you personally. There is so little understanding now a days, at least from my perspective. Thanks Steve!
Cheers
Jeff
Cheers
Jeff
12-27-2001 | 11:19 AM
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From: Wheeler Army Airfield, HI
In reading what Steve wrote, I don't think he was trying to say he didn't accept the consequences that come with not having your plate on. Just as I choose not to put my plate on and have to deal with the consequences if caught. There are always consequences with risks. The person taking the risk needs to decide if they can live with the consequences BEFORE taking action.
Maybe that is something bobatimz should think about...
I'm sorry to say that I don't follow laws merely because they are laws. To me that is just a joke because it's very obvious that many laws are just ridiculous/outdated. I choose the laws I follow with my own good judement and by assessing the risks/consequences.
Maybe that is something bobatimz should think about...
I'm sorry to say that I don't follow laws merely because they are laws. To me that is just a joke because it's very obvious that many laws are just ridiculous/outdated. I choose the laws I follow with my own good judement and by assessing the risks/consequences.
12-27-2001 | 03:00 PM
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From: Wheeler Army Airfield, HI
I totally agree. I claim 100% responsibility for my actions. I think that is one thing a lot of people don't do. I know exactly what I'm doing when I choose to break the law and I damn well deserve the punishment if caught.
I also agree with you on the emotional state. I'm lucky that I make most decisions based on logic rather than feelings. (Feelings, what are those?) I always step back from a situation and analyze it externaly before taking action. It always serves me very well although, my lack of emotion gets me in trouble with other areas such as with women.
I also agree with you on the emotional state. I'm lucky that I make most decisions based on logic rather than feelings. (Feelings, what are those?) I always step back from a situation and analyze it externaly before taking action. It always serves me very well although, my lack of emotion gets me in trouble with other areas such as with women.